Stilo Mutliwagon rear suspension bushes

MAREA MAD · Jul 7, 2008

sorry bubby but you should never put those bush's under that kind of persure by hitting them with a hammer you a fracture the rubber structure of the bush and it will wear out much quicker and some times fail all together they should always be fitted with a press

yampug · Jul 21, 2008

MAREA MAD said:
sorry bubby but you should never put those bush's under that kind of persure by hitting them with a hammer you a fracture the rubber structure of the bush and it will wear out much quicker and some times fail all together they should always be fitted with a press

Sometimes I wonder about the inteligence of the people on these forums? At what point did I say I hit the new bushes with a hammer? Um none!! Oh and by the way what the ****s a bubby?

:bang:

Big Black Stilo · Jul 24, 2008

i think he saw the hammer in the picture and put two and two together and got 5

how much was the replacement bushes and how long did it take to do?

do you have the part numbers?

yampug · Jul 27, 2008

Big Black Stilo said:
i think he saw the hammer in the picture and put two and two together and got 5

how much was the replacement bushes and how long did it take to do?

do you have the part numbers?

Yeah but wouldnt it be great if people actually read stuff properly

, any ways bushes were roughly twenty quid i think, not sure what the part number was now but is is available on the ePER parts page there's a link to that on this forum. Took two of us a day to remove old ones and fit new ones, but we didnt work that hard and plenty of tea breaks.

Didint want to post a part number incase diferent year multiwagons use diferent bushes.

DiggerH · Nov 2, 2008

I had the noisy bushes like others on the forum, I found the guide very useful, by that I mean I knew enough to not try the job myself or to get FIAT to do the work. My local Garage would only replace the whole assembly and wanted £1000 to do it. So I bought the bushes, £35, and took them to The Southam Mini Metro Centre were the nice people have a press to push the new bushes in. They charge fairly on a time basis, mine cost £350 and the car is now quiet again. If you can get your car to Southam give them a call. 01926 815681.

yampug · Nov 8, 2008

DiggerH said:
I had the noisy bushes like others on the forum, I found the guide very useful, by that I mean I knew enough to not try the job myself or to get FIAT to do the work. My local Garage would only replace the whole assembly and wanted £1000 to do it. So I bought the bushes, £35, and took them to The Southam Mini Metro Centre were the nice people have a press to push the new bushes in. They charge fairly on a time basis, mine cost £350 and the car is now quiet again. If you can get your car to Southam give them a call. 01926 815681.

Cool glad you got yours fixed

I think fiat should have to fix the bloody things for free as it was them who designed the mozzarella suspension

chizzy · Dec 13, 2008

My local Fiat garage, Anthony Betts, Hemel Hempstead replaced both bushes into the existing subframe earlier this year (May) from memory it was about 330 GBP which I didn't think was too bad including parts. I've swapped a complete subframe on a Citroen C15D van before so I let Fiat do this one

robbie-rocket-pants · Jan 31, 2009

Thanks for the good article yampug.

I bought the bushes for roughly £28 and asked the FIAT dealer how much it would cost to fit them - they looked in the book and said £233. I asked them if that was a fixed price and they said "yes" - so I got them to do it.

It took 2 mechanics all day to do it and they said if asked to do it again they would replace the whole sub-frame!

I think the main trouble was the old bushes had been glued in and they had great difficulty getting them out. They also had to replace some brake line they damaged.

I can do most things on a car but I'm really glad I didn't try it myself.

RRP

davidthelodge · Feb 5, 2009

Just to let everyone know, I tried to get Fiat (UK & Milan) to pay some or all of the cost of the labour for the bush replacements. They refused and say its fair wear and tear, even on a Stilo which has done only 53,000/and is 5 years old. Anyone else got them to pay some of the labour ?

rayb · Feb 17, 2009

hi,
new here and just a little question
are the stilo multiwagons as bad as their made out to be?

i've looked at a couple of jtd's but have been frightened away from them by press and friends with horror stories.

rayb

robbie-rocket-pants · Feb 25, 2009

Hi rayb,
I've had my 2003 JTD Multiwagon for 5 years. It's generally been a good car and very economical. The only big problem it had was with these rear suspension bushes so check to make sure they have been changed. The other niggle is that mine eats tyres.

Cheers,
RRP

Davren · Feb 26, 2009

Company in Italy selling a tool for fitting the bushes, but knowing the amount of pressure required to fit them, the threaded rod doesn't look strong enough to me.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260353453532&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016

eBay Item number: 260353453532

tragushardie · Mar 25, 2009

Would this be the same for a 54 plate 5 door hatch?

TAFFYLEGIN · Jun 5, 2009

Hi all. Not sure if this will be of any use to anyone? I recently started to get a very uncomfortable ride from my 04 Stilo Multiwagon when every little bump in the road was felt in the rear as a jarring jolt. I can only describe this sensation as like having a concrete slab falling from an upright position onto its flat side within the load/boot area. Anyway, upon inspection it was found that the rear suspension bushes had worn and needed urgent replacement. I have now had this work done and can give you the overall price. I used a local garage which specialises in Fiat repair: Disconnect and remove rear axil, remove bushes, fit new bushes, refit axil and all moveable parts. Bleed brakes and road test. All this work (including parts at £34.92), was completed for £316.16. I must admit to being quite happy with the price as it was originally quoted as £100 more than this and I know it is a difficult job. Hope this helps out anyone who may be experiencing a similar problem.

277soo · Jul 24, 2009

I've posted the following which may (or may not) be of some assistance to any Member contemplating taking this job on.

Thanks to Yampug for the initial post and to my Brother for his tools, technical know how and time in undertaking a pig of a job. Well Done Charlie!!

Started the job late on Friday afternoon. The sub frame came off without any major issues. My advice is not to start the job on a Saturday morning as if you encounter problems and need any additional Fiat bits, sods law will be that it will be around noon time, just as your Fiat Dealers are closing up for the weekend!

So now we turn to the removal of the old bushes. We burnt out the innards with a welding torch which just left the metal sleeve well and truly ensconced in the sub frame. We put a single saw cut through the bush then managed to hammer it out using a progression of chisels to ‘peel it back’ and that took some doing. Having reflected for a while, we changed tack for the second sleeve. We sawed through in two places, at 5 & 7 o’clock. We then chiselled out this portion of the sleeve, which peeled back just like the old sardine tin – we found this was much easier.

Crucial bit next was to examine the sub frame mounting for any nicks or scrapes; carefully cleaning up with emery cloth –if you don’t you’ll make it even harder for yourself.

We were fortunate enough to have a bench mounted bearing press. To make life easier, we decided that we would remove both rear disc and stub axle assemblies to make the sub frame more manoeuvrable in offering it up to the press.

Disaster struck with three out of eight of the stub axle assembly bolts sheering off, despite them being drowned in WD40! Nothing that a bit of heat from the welding gear wouldn’t resolve, however slight problem in that the plastic ABS sensors inconveniently mounted midway between the studs and held in by a corroded small allen bolt and much crud caused further delay.

Due to the sensors being approx £30 each (and supplied to order) we soaked them in WD40 overnight. We were lucky in that we were able to get them out eventually, put the multimeter across them and they had survived the ordeal. With them out of the way, we were able to turn up the heat on the bolts and were able to eventually drift them out.

Onto the fitting of the new bushes. We spotted an issue in that there was a potential for the bearing press to pop out the rubber innards, as the central part of the bush would take all the pressure. We overcame this by visiting a decent auto spares shop and purchasing two 65mm ¾” drive sockets at £15 each (apparently used for wheel bearing nuts on Ford Transits) The outer circumference of these sockets was an exact match for the outer circumference of the bushes. Hence we were able to press in the new bushes (sandwiched between these sockets) into the sub frame quickly and accurately.

The new stub axle bolts (replaced the lot including the ABS sensor allen bolts ordered in on the Monday) were picked up on the Wednesday and we reassembled that evening. This was relatively straightforward, apart from the ABS sensor electrical connectors, which just would not reconnect. It turned out that the female part of the connecter had a corrugated rubber seal which distorts over time. Once removed, they clicked back in, reinforced with insulation tape. 10-05pm on the Wednesday night and job finally done.

Main points you should consider if contemplating taking this on: -

Don’t even think about it unless you have a decent toolkit – you’ll need slightly more than your average Halfords socket set.
Try to carry out the job at the start of a good few days when you don’t need the car, giving you time to get things sorted and your hands on parts if it does go bent.
Mention is made in an earlier post of a garage charging £350 to do the job – bite their hand off!!

lynn001 · Aug 3, 2009

Followed your advice and instructions and found to be very good, only bit I would be concerned about for other readers is the removal and replacemnet of the bushes. Getting them out no bother, use hack saw -cut of ends,remove rubber then cut out a strip to allow the bush to collapse. Getting them back in is another matter, I was lucky enough to borrow a press from one of the guys at my local garage - still a bit of a job, managed to get the axle off and back on and car running in about 6 hours, before I started I had two new brake pipes made up knowing that the quickest and easiest way to get the old ones off was to cut them. Thanks for all the good advice it was very good and gave me a good insight to what I was taking on.

yampug · Aug 4, 2009

glad my guide is proving usefull to people on the forum saving people money and hopefully keeping stilo multiwagons on the road.

Shadeyman · Sep 23, 2010

Davren said:
Company in Italy selling a tool for fitting the bushes, but knowing the amount of pressure required to fit them, the threaded rod doesn't look strong enough to me.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260353453532&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016

eBay Item number: 260353453532

Go direct. 150 Euros including P&P.
http://www.meaweb.it/product/558/AT...-SILENT-BLOCK-PONTE-POSTERIORE-FIAT-STILO.asp

Shadeyman · Oct 2, 2010

Replaced my bushes yesterday. To see how I did it and photo's check out the thread below.
https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/248971-franklin-tools-stilo-rear-bushes-9.html

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