18:41 you still there jack? can you tell me why ikea is exempt,
18:46 ok i have been advised our furniture does come with a small fire label. but if that has been removed you can apply for a fire certificate from store to comfirm this
18:50 where are they because i have ask several people with ikea stuff and they can not find them, the furniture and furnishings (fire)(safety) regulations act 1988 states that the lable has to be sewn in at the time of manafacture, it cant be stuck on so how have they all come off?

Hi Dave,

I know it doesn't answer your query direct but as I used to work in the Interior Design business I can say that all soft furnished items with a filling have since 1988 had to have a fire label on display for it to be sold for domestic use, not for contract use, i.e. like an office, restuarant etc this is where the UK differs from elsewhere in Europe and consequently the furniture I used to improt from Italy from companies like Cassina, Driade, Molteni where a sofa could set you back £3000 was always about £500 dearer for domestic purposes than contract as you need the fire protection barrier, but if you have your own company you can legally buy any soft furnishing for your company and put it in your house. Now where there is a grey area is all upholsterd antic furniture or even modern classics do not have the barrier but they are still alowed to be sold, its all very wishy washy to be honest, but there should normally be a label with a manufacturing date on the underside of the furniture which can confirm its meets the requirments and would normally be sown in place, but as would often be the case when iteams arrived in the UK from abroad they didn't have them on clear view but I had a box full of them which I would then write in the details and attach it with a safety pin for the public to see, but I would keep at IKEA to see what they say.

A piont to note as well is if you are a tenant, or are a landlord, all furnishings must also have this displayed as its a legal requirment, I know I'm both at the moment!

Aaron.

do people have to prove they have a business?

18:57 i have been guarenteed that all our sofas and chairs come with a fire label
18:59 they are attached with like a gun similar to clothes labels
19:01 strange that no one can find them then, can you confirm this by email to ************ ?

i started to have a convo with the person i talked to, i found the person to be really nice

19:04 i cannot send these out via email as they are not on electronic forms you would need to write into store for the actual booklet
19:05 no i dont want the booklet emailed, just the info you have put in this convo please.

From:
http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/ts_shupholstery-21.pdf#search='fire%20safety%20regulations%20act%201988%20label%20sewn'

All new furniture made after 1988 must carry a permanent label, which
shows how the furniture meets the requirements of the Regulations.
Mattresses and bed-bases will bear different labels to those on other
furniture.

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19:06 so you want a copy of this conversation sending to your email address
19:08 just that will be ok for now i suppose, but a statmen type email of what you have said would be better, thanks
19:09 ok ill get that sent for you
19:10 ok thank you for your help, bye

edit sharon going to check and take it up with TS now

Also:

Furniture
The Furniture and Furnishings (Fire) (Safety) Regulations 1988 stipulate that that all new furniture carries a permanent label attached to an external surface that confirms its fire resistance. The regulations do not apply to furniture made prior to 1950, or furniture that is re-upholstered but made before 1950.

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http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/accessible.cfm?5F0363C4-E46C-B6C0-0847-67A93AB3FCF6&

mrs dave say only can have 1950 stuff redone if its re done in horse hair or caypok

thanks every one for the help

dave you were talking to them for 40 mins

uno_94 said:

dave you were talking to them for 40 mins

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what was result of your convo then?

dave said:

what was result of your convo then?

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they just told me that they are fitted with removable labels, and now paul has put up that infomation im going to go on there again in a min stating that.

here i go again,

Hi, thanks for contacting IKEA my name is Jack how can i help?
19:22 are fire labels fitted to your products?

I might have a go, haha, what a bank holiday monday

Hi, thanks for contacting IKEA my name is Jack how can i help?
19:26 Hey Jack
19:27 why do you products not have permanent fire regulations labelling per the 1988 fire regulations act?
19:27 your*

uno_94 said:

here i go again,

Hi, thanks for contacting IKEA my name is Jack how can i help?
19:22 are fire labels fitted to your products?

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thats same guy i got

The Negotiator said:

Hi, thanks for contacting IKEA my name is Jack how can i help?
19:26 Hey Jack
19:27 why do you products not have permanent fire regulations labelling per the 1988 fire regulations act?
19:27 your*

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why a * did he swear at you?

my convo at the moment, waiting for a reply,

Hi, thanks for contacting IKEA my name is Jack how can i help?
19:22 are fire labels fitted to your products?
19:23 yes they are
19:24 why can i not find any on any of your products then? even when i look at your products in store?
19:25 they are attached to products in store on a plastic tag with a gun simialr to clothes labels
19:28 regulations act 1988 states that the lable has to be sewn in at the time of manafacture,All new furniture made after 1988 must carry a permanent label,
19:30 the label that is attached is permanent, if the customer decideds to remove the label thats isnt ikea responsability

Poor Jack