Technical upgraded anti roll bar for cinq

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Technical upgraded anti roll bar for cinq

Dammit and you haven't lent me those spring compressors yet either :eek:


Anyway you got any pics of it yet as I thought you mentioned it was done? or you waiting till it's painted etc?
 
Dammit and you haven't lent me those spring compressors yet either :eek:


Anyway you got any pics of it yet as I thought you mentioned it was done? or you waiting till it's painted etc?


LOL yeah like to see you change the springs without them :devil:

OK got a few pictures, even found one of Adz old cars rear bar which I'm sure since he sold it will not mind me putting up.

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Ours which hasn't been welded yet, still in trial position with a sleeve over where its cut so we can adjust until happy to weld then sleave and weld again. As you can see there are no springs in place this is so we can articulate the whole rear suspension through the maximum amount and ensure the bar not only moves, but doesn't foul anything. So we need the gas bottle refilled to weld it up then get it all shot blasted and either painted or powder coated. As you can see there has been brackets made up and welded in place on the rear bar and Cinq front anti-roll bar brackets and bushes fit just nicely, Adz used some poly bush from the company he worked for and TBH i'm unsure how it was held in place.

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Adjustable for length, the drop link length can be adjusted, but no merit it if thats what you mean. Strength, we could flatten the ends off and then drill some more holes, this is in effect what the whiteline adjustable bar is on my car.

Yes blade type bars offer laods of adjustment, but not much out there in terms of off the shelf stuff, did find a beautifully made one for Alfa's that was £300! I paid less than £20 for my MGF bar, though the rose jointed drop links were expensive, but they always are for decent ones :)

See here http://www.whiteline.com.au/vehicle_swaybars.php

Copied over, though not sure how they determine the difference between 4WD and all wheel drive, though they only do a rear for the GT4. And I guess on a FWD car with no rear then fit one like the kit they do for the Suzuki Ignis Sport which I loved on mine, was brilliant.

BARS on CARS - What applies to me and my vehicle?

Whiteline Jim’s simple sway bar guide to better handling:

Front Wheel Drive – increase the rear sway bar size
Rear Wheel Drive – increase the front sway bar size
4 Wheel Drive – increase front then rear bar size
All Wheel Drive – increase rear then front bar size
 
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That looks absolutelywonderfull...really well tought out (y)

So what is wrong with the balance, over- or understeer?
If you mill a flat before the hole in the arm you could make it stiffer, or use the holes to mount an extension arm to.

this is definitly a project i'm gonna look into!
 
I would say theres just a fraction too much oversteer in it tbh, its very close to being right so could probably be dialed out with slightly different tyre pressures.

The nose definitley goes into corners more positivley and sticks, wherreas the standard car will run wide miles sooner, it grips, grips grips and then you get fairly mild oversteer that needs a wee correction now and then, but as long as your aware its going to do it, its not a problem, and at road speeds, never an issue :)

i think the bar is just ever so slightly too stiff imo, but in all honesty, not enough to make it ever be a "must change" item. in fact, as it is, i think the car would now really suit a slightly heavier lump up front, i.e a 1.4. that would bring that balance back to mild understeer i feel... but as i it, i like some tail happy antics :D
 
wow, sounds luuuuurrrrrvvvvvvlllllyyyyyy (y)

and this was in combination with the standard sporting ARB right?
any chance on measurements (width, arm etc) i'd love to try this sometime.
 
I may think about a rear ARB, it's more possible than a front ARB for me, & could bring a little more balance to the car.

For adjustment could you also change the mounting point of the tie bar, just seems an easier solution.
 
Any reason you used a front ARB or was it just the shape that caught your eye?

It was a few things, the shape as it looked like it would work, and it has shape wise, and the fact a MGF is mid-engined and as such weight distribution is near 50/50 if not slightly rear biased (never looked it up) so front bar should not be too strong, and the thickness 19mm (i think Cinq is 18.5ish when measured with verniers), therefore near enough the same as a Cinq front bar so Cinq front anti-roll bars brackets fitted straight on.

There was nothing more scientific in it than that. If its too strong it can be made weaker by removing material and thinning it down, or move pivot points on the arms, but until car is running will not know where its at. The whole rear suspension assembly is off being shot blast and powder coated so hopefully get some pics up next week when its back.

I did almost buy a rare Metro GTi rear anti-roll bar, again because it was a very simple shape like a "U" ie only two bends and given Metro's track not much different thought it was worth a punt, but turns out because its rare loads of folk who run Metro's with larger K series conversions seek them out so bidding went to high. It was new as well unused NOS with all brackets and drop links.

Forgot to add, one of the reasons on developing the rear anti-roll bar was although car is going to be primarily a track day toy, we have looked at road rallies as well, and therefore would like to be able to run softer springs and raise ride height, probably going AVO which are height adjustable coil-over front standard 2.25mm springs so easy to buy different rates, and have some standard, some Eibach, and then the AVO provided springs to have a few options on rear, but still have a pointy car with less roll, in fact making it pretty pointy could be of real benefit, again though its all just thinking out loud.
 
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