looks like good vfm and transferable unlike a remap
http://www.tmcmotorsport.com/LatestCarTuningKits.aspx
http://www.tmcmotorsport.com/LatestCarTuningKits.aspx
Hey,
I have had my TMC tuning kit on my bravo t-jet 150 sport for the past year in conjunction with a ragazzon exhaust.
All I can say the TMC kit makes a big difference. Much happier to rev all the way to the redline, a good significant boost in power.
I have only good things to say about the customer service from TMC.
Go for It!
Get a proper remap.
Get a proper remap.
it is a proper remap - have you read the info on the site or just repeating what the Hoff has told you?![]()
you can go either way on this as when i got mine thinkn it was daren whos in charge said if needed the software can be udpated if you modify your engine so its not a Live remap but its essentialy still the same as a remap
Get a proper remap.
try and keep the remap advice to threads where people ask for remap advice and box advice to box advice threads, it keeps the forums a lot more tidy and user friendly![]()
The TMC Bloke said:I recently looked at a 290bhp Abarth 500 tuned by a well known German tuner, it runs with a tuning box not a so called 'proper remap
I'm sure the TMC tuning box is pretty good, they've come along was recently. I'd rather have a before and after rolling road printout showing my proven gains and spent a few hours with the mapped.
True, but also doesn't give the full picture to anyone reading the thread.
No but neither does just saying 'get a proper remap' with no info to state why.
My product is not comparable to ditchfinder tyres and how can you suggest something as being better when you have no first hand knowledge of the other product, you can say here is an alternative that I recommend.If someone asks about fitting ditchfinder tyres should no one be allowed to suggest better tyres for the car?
We have been using the same advanced box since the Tjet came out the only recent advances are improvements to the mapping, you can also take the car to rollers if you like, I have lots of dyno graphs from Tjets if you'd like to see one just let me know and i'll email it to you. The gains we quote are not only proven but are being exceeded by cars tested on the dyno. To do live mapping as you're describing needs an emulator connected to the ECU to allow live adjustments, very very few people have this equipment so your live remap is in most cases just file after file being loaded in until the power is right, not live mapping.I'm sure the TMC tuning box is pretty good, they've come along was recently. I'd rather have a before and after rolling road printout showing my proven gains and spent a few hours with the mapped.
This is fine if the person has the money for that but most do mods in stages, if you look at peoples wish lists there are usually 5 or 6 things they intend doing but will list which they want to do first and which later when they get the funds together. We also found only small gains 4-5 bhp with induction kits, tri foam replacement panel filters worked almost as well with alot less fitting involved.I also wouldn't suggest a tuning box or remap on it's own. Breathing mods should be done to 'unrestrict' the tuneability of the engine.
Exactly.Not sure what point your trying to make. Anybody could remap/apply a tuning box and get OMGZ WOW figures but if it's not driveable or reliable whats the point.
No obviously this car had serious engine work, bigger turbo and lots of other stuff but it makes a point that a tuning box was able to adapt to those mods to give the desired power output.I'd also bet a fair few pennies that a simple tuning box hadn't taken a 1.4 150bhp~ Fiat to 290bhp.
It can be adapted to other mods fitted as above.I'd also imagine the tuning box would have worked great had that owned just applied it to the standard engine, but the tuning box won't be taking into account the other mods that would have been done - a remap can do this.
I don't get your logic here, I have over 200 cars in UK running Tjet boxes getting in many cases better results than many mapped cars, so why do you insist a remap must be better? We do both remapping and boxes and on Tjets can generally get better results with a box on a standard car. You can also re-use the box on your next car with a new loom and re-program and take it off for servicing and if the dealer flashes new software to your car which most do now this will wipe off your remap and you have to go back again to have it re-done, many companies will charge a fee for this, the tuning box is unaffected by these software flashes. If someone wants a remap thats fine but many people know that it is semi permanent and for various reasons want a removable alternative which leaves no trace when removed. We do re-mapping too but generally on older cars out of warranty because people know the issues with dealers doing software updates and wiping off the maps, its an inconvenience for some people, in fact I have a BMW X5 owner coming back today for the second time to have his remap written back in after a dealer update wiped it again.If you're in some odd european country where there isn't a decent mapper then brilliant a TMC tuning box is probably going to be your best bet. However if you live in the UK and can be bothered to take a day off work to get your car looked at in real life then for the same price shouldn't it be considered?
No but neither does just saying 'get a proper remap' with no info to state why.
My product is not comparable to ditchfinder tyres and how can you suggest something as being better when you have no first hand knowledge of the other product, you can say here is an alternative that I recommend.
We have been using the same advanced box since the Tjet came out the only recent advances are improvements to the mapping, you can also take the car to rollers if you like, I have lots of dyno graphs from Tjets if you'd like to see one just let me know and i'll email it to you. The gains we quote are not only proven but are being exceeded by cars tested on the dyno. To do live mapping as you're describing needs an emulator connected to the ECU to allow live adjustments, very very few people have this equipment so your live remap is in most cases just file after file being loaded in until the power is right, not live mapping.
This is fine if the person has the money for that but most do mods in stages, if you look at peoples wish lists there are usually 5 or 6 things they intend doing but will list which they want to do first and which later when they get the funds together. We also found only small gains 4-5 bhp with induction kits, tri foam replacement panel filters worked almost as well with alot less fitting involved.
Exactly.
No obviously this car had serious engine work, bigger turbo and lots of other stuff but it makes a point that a tuning box was able to adapt to those mods to give the desired power output.
It can be adapted to other mods fitted as above.
I don't get your logic here, I have over 200 cars in UK running Tjet boxes getting in many cases better results than many mapped cars, so why do you insist a remap must be better? We do both remapping and boxes and on Tjets can generally get better results with a box on a standard car. You can also re-use the box on your next car with a new loom and re-program and take it off for servicing and if the dealer flashes new software to your car which most do now this will wipe off your remap and you have to go back again to have it re-done, many companies will charge a fee for this, the tuning box is unaffected by these software flashes. If someone wants a remap thats fine but many people know that it is semi permanent and for various reasons want a removable alternative which leaves no trace when removed. We do re-mapping too but generally on older cars out of warranty because people know the issues with dealers doing software updates and wiping off the maps, its an inconvenience for some people, in fact I have a BMW X5 owner coming back today for the second time to have his remap written back in after a dealer update wiped it again.
I won't derail the thread anymore by commenting back.
I also didn't mean to compare your product to ditchfinder tyres, take it as a 'You can't really mention a 3 series without also considering an A4 and a C class'.
When I said 'come along way recently' this wasn't in reference specifically to the Tjet box but the whole idea of a tuning box and such. I know Ford fan boys love the Dreamscene stuff with 5 maps and the ability to unplug it, compared with x years ago when it was simply messing with the throttle response and flooding the engine with excess petrol.
not another thread of people saying its not worth it who haven't even tried it. that is also against the forum rules btw https://www.fiatforum.com/rules.html
yes that is where you broke the rule you cant say that the product you used is better than another without trying both first handAs far as I see it, I didn't belittle 'other products or services' simply expressed my opinion that a product I have used would be a better option
yes that is where you broke the rule you cant say that the product you used is better than another without trying both first hand