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nedge2k

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I recently put two "wanted" posts up on here for some HGT bits.

Just got this email twice in regard to those posts....


Hello,

Am Graham Morgan from the United Kingdom.I saw your wanted ads and i
still have for sale in good condition.

Please reach me on +447024041079 or +447024037035.

Thanks

Graham
Lincoln Road,East Finchley London N2 9DJ.


Any number starting 070 is premium rate number which can cost anything from £2 for 15 seconds!

If you get a scam email like this, just delete it, immediately.

Whoever runs this forum really should not be allowing our email addresses or our IP addresses to be shown in public, it's not good practice at all!!
 
(...and yes I realise you can remove your email address while posting but sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not, sometimes you forget to delete it from the box - the option to display it publically at all should be removed, along with IP address)
 
Ive had a few from swapz mate when i was selling a phone.some guy from (cant remember lol) said he is after it urgently and will pay the shipping cost and to send him my email ad.£100 i wanted for it.i knew it was fake but i said go on then,within 5 mins there was an email in junk from paypal saying i have funds BUT the colour was a lighhter blue not dark blue as thay have.so i rang paypal and there was nothing in my account so he got reported,and also on swapz.the day after he got deleted.
a week later i had another similare email..happens to alot of ppl mate,you have to keep your eyes open ;)

Mike

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A Fiat Marea in a Bravo Shell..its good to be different ;)
Now with Working Steering Wheel Controls :)
still to do..tensioners lol.
 
yeah i know mate but that's besides the point. in the settings for this forum, the admin can set it so that email and ip addresses are not shown - which they shouldn't be.
 
yer thats true,they shouldnt show i.p address and email address. They also shouldnt allow annonymous replies as its very frustrating but they dont care about that either

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A Fiat Marea in a Bravo Shell..Its good to be different ;)
Now with Working Steering Wheel Controls :)
 
Okie dokies!
I have read the above comments and removed the IP address from the forum. If you do not wish your e-mail address to be known, don't put it on your network54 login it is an optional field. Simple.

As for anon posters, this will still be allowed. I found this forum many moons ago when I had a problem with my 1st bravo and posted on here without the need of registration. If I needed to register I very much doubt I would have posted and this forum and boo would no longer exist.

Many people find this forum when they have an urgent problem with their car and posting with ease is their main concern. Additionally, sometimes people find the need to say something without the fear of a backlash from other forum users and an anon post is the easiest way. However, normal forum rules apply on the nature and content of the post.

And yeah, I'm still alive :)

Any probs just drop me an e-mail
 
*As for anon posters, this will still be allowed. I found this forum many moons ago when I had a problem with my 1st bravo and posted on here without the need of registration. If I needed to register I very much doubt I would have posted and this forum and boo would no longer exist.

Many people find this forum when they have an urgent problem with their car and posting with ease is their main concern.*

fair enough lol

Ned,what hgt bits are you after? do you need any interior?
 
Good idea, I am a BOO member but very rarely log in. Just cant be bothered
 
Mike, no, just suspension at the mo!

Wimmy, thanks for the response.
 
Regarding the IP address "issue", you cannot be personally traced via the IP address. So there is no way that whoever emailed you used your IP address. Unless you specify (and usually pay) for your IP address to be static, it will remain dynamic, meaning that it can, and will, change on a regular basis (most often when you disconnect and reconnect to the internet.

Your IP address will show which ISP you're on via a simple WhoIs search, but only your ISP will know who was dynamically assigned that particular IP address at any particular time.

I don't know of any forum (and I use and run many of them) that doesn't log/display the IP address of it's contributors. It's a simple and effective way of dissuading spammers and can be used, in co-operation with the ISP's, to identify problem users.

So you can relax about the whole IP address issue. And as Wimmy says, you can manage your own email entry yourself :)

Rob
BOO Member since 2002

FIAT History: Tipo DS, Punto TDSX, Punto Sporting, Cinquecento Sporting, Seicento Sporting, Bravo HGT, Marea Weekend ELX
Now residing in the land of Ford.
 
For Example: My currant IP is 95.148.188.48


And this is what you can find out:-


95.148.188.48 - Geo Information
IP Address 95.148.188.48
Host 95.148.188.48
Location GB, United Kingdom
City Chipping Norton, K2 -
Organization Orange Home UK
ISP Orange Home UK
AS Number AS12576 Orange PCS Limited
Latitude 51°86'67" North
Longitude 1°53'33" West
Distance 2119.73 km (1317.14 miles)


Doesn't really tell you much, apart from I use Orange for my Broadband (it's free).


As for the Login / Annon - every other forum I go on I have to login to post, some you even have to login to view posts!!

As a mod my life would be so much easier if everyone had to login then I could see who was saying what... BUT the amount of newbies who just pop on to ask a very quick question, or look up something, outweighs the need to change.


Sorry to hear you have been scammed, unfortunately it happens even on auction sites.


Autotrader uses 070 number, they are Telesafe numbers.



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My IP address is static and hosts a range of services...I could do without script kiddies trying to DDOS me.

I wasn't scammed, I was warning others in case they were a little naive to these things. The 070 number has long been used by scammers to makes huge amounts of money from short phone calls.

If you don't understand why having IP addresses and email addresses exposed to the public is dangerous then please refrain from making a comment. I work in IT, I do actually know what I'm talking about.
 
I think you need to calm down personally. If you weren't scammed then whats the issue? I don't know of any member who has been scammed because of the display of IP address or email address on the forum, I'm sure the mods can confirm this...
 
Nedge,

I too work in IT. Have done for many, many years, so I do know what I'm talking about. If I had a penny for every time someone tried to argue an IT related issue by stating "Don't question me, I work in IT, I know what I'm talking about", I'd be a rich man. They invariably also turn out to be 1st line IT support phone monkeys, so please, don't use that one here.

If you are extremely knowledgeable about IT related issues, then you will know that good, secure protection systems & practices will be far more effective than the non-publication of your IP address and that if I really wanted to find out your IP, I could do so at the drop of a hat. As for the practice of forums not displaying email addresses and IP addresses, there are millions that do. Your email is almost always an option that the user can set but IP addresses will always be logged and invariably displayed.

070 Telesafe numbers are fairly well known as a potential cover for scammers, although Ofcom have taken remedial action on their use in recent times. As Tommy states, legitimate companies like Autotrader use them to provide a level of discretion and privacy for those advertising in their publications. One should always exercise caution when dialling any unsolicited telephone numbers, not just 070 numbers.

As has been stated previously, we thank you for your concern and for highlighting your concern. However, you weren't scammed and the tone adopted in later posts by yourself is not appreciated. The depth of your IT knowledge is not being questioned here, just your manners.

Thanks for you future co-operation :)

Rob
BOO Member since 2002

FIAT History: Tipo DS, Punto TDSX, Punto Sporting, Cinquecento Sporting, Seicento Sporting, Bravo HGT, Marea Weekend ELX
Now residing in the land of Ford.
 
i.p address and all that to do with IT doesnt mean anythin to me,aint got a clue what your goin on about lol :D

Mike
 
I'm with u mike, I know it's a number Orange give me that lets me on the internet... bit like a seat number.


And my e-mail address is on here so people can get hold of me straight away, at anytime, day or night to let me know something is wrong, or to ask me a question about their Bravo.


I do also get a lot of emails about buying pills, and cheaper car insurance. Oh and a few that appear to have come from myself too!!

They all end up in spam & don't concern me :)
 
Roberto, It's just plain arrogant to assume that everyone has a firewall of some description in place and properly configured.

...and sure, you could find out my IP by looking a cached version of one of my posts here but it's highly unlikely that a scammer is going to do that. People like that write generic scripts to go out and harvest email, IP addresses and other personal information. By making them publically available, you're just making it easier for them to get into your life and **** you over.

As for the email address thing - honestly, how many of you would have seen that mail (offering you a part you were urgently after) and called that number thinking it was a mobile? I'm willing to bet quite a few.

Sean, really, exactly how many people who've been scammed or have gotten a virus do you think know where the entry point for the attack was? If £500 dropped out of your account tomorrow, would you know how it happened?

What some of you fail to understand is that it's not about the identifying information an IP address can give, it's that it is a route to your PC which may or may not have many open doors.

Let me just drop a little scenario on y'all...

-Your IP is visible here
-It gets harvest by a malicious crawler
-Although you probably have a dynamic IP address, you probably haven't rebooted your modem/router for quite some time so the chances are, it's still the same.
-A port scan ensues and due to a previous infection opening firewall ports via upnp or you not having a firewall of any description turned on for whatever reason or due to you misconfiguring it or etc. etc. etc. etc., the scanner finds an open port which has something exploitable listening behind it.

-or-

-Your email address is visible here
-You get a legitimate looking email, click a link or a download, your AV software might be off or crap, you get infected.

-Now there's something on your computer, watching what you're doing and, oh look, you've not checked that website you're buying that new turbo wistler from properly have you, it's sent your details out over a http connection instead of a https connection and that something hiding on your computer saw that too because it wasn't encrypted - although even https can be broken now, with time.
-Now it has your address and card details, everything it needs to take your card to the limit.
-It also has your name and, as registering on some sites and forums requires your DOB and rarely is that information sent encrypted, it now has everything it needs to do some identity theft and obliterate your credit rating.

Sure, the chances are the worst that will happen is a bit more spam and the odd virus attempt...but why take the risk? This is how this stuff happens.

...and you lot are having a pop at me when I'm trying to help you? There was a reason I said don't comment if you don't know what you're talking about - I wasn't trying to be king ding-a-ling, I was trying to make sure ill-informed people didn't give out bad advice to naive people.

Now I'm sure a few of you will now chime in and say "i'm not naive, i can spot a dodgy email" or "well, my firewall(s) is/are always on, my av is up to date, i don't get viruses" etc. etc. Great, good for you, pat on the back and all that but open your mind for a minute and think of the people who have no clue about this kinda thing and can barely "work the internet" let alone spot a scam email or check their firewall is on or av is up to date. Hell, they might still be using IE5 and Windows 98 - you might laugh at that but roughly 1.5% of internet users are using pre-XP Windows OS's and most of them on pre-IE6 browsers - how many of them do you think know about av and firewalls?

Finally, no, I'm not 1st line. My role involves software development, web development, network admin, server admin and security.
 
If £500 dropped out of your account tomorrow, would you know how it happened?


I would want to know how the hell the £500 quid got into my account :)

stephend
 
Once again, thank you for your contribution Nedge.

I take your point that there are people out there who don't know that much about good security practices when it comes to their computer. However, the real issue here is not scaring people about the possibilities, however remote, of them getting hit by a scam that originated by a scammer using their IP address or email.

The REAL issue is education. Educate these novices rather than fill them with unnecessary fear. There are a million ways for someone to access your personal info and use it to relieve you of your cash or your identity. People must take responsibility for their own actions and their own protection.

My own personal opinion is that if you are the victim of a scam because you failed to install or keep up to date protective software/hardware then that's your own look out. We're all grown ups here, so take the responsibility. It's neither difficult or expensive.

No one has had a pop at you for your intention of helping people, but more the scaremongering and angry attitude.

Now let's just draw a line under this. Thank you for your heads up and contribution. Wimmy has taken some action based on your recommendations and whilst I think that was more a knee jerk and unnecessary action, it has been done.

Let that be the end of it :)

Rob
BOO Member since 2002

FIAT History: Tipo DS, Punto TDSX, Punto Sporting, Cinquecento Sporting, Seicento Sporting, Bravo HGT, Marea Weekend ELX
Now residing in the land of Ford.
 
all your IP are belong to us...

Buzz
If you see a bandwagon, its already too late!
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