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It is the DVLA form, just arrived with me, that has to be filled in to apply for an age-related registration number when you don't have a V5c. It applies when an old car is imported and needs filling in conjunction with a V765 if you want to reclaim an existing, unrecorded, old number.
Anyone who has seen one will know that the layout and terminology is very confusing and the amount of detail needed about the car's structure and design is crazy.
So I am asking, has anyone successfully submitted one of these and did they put "N/A" in most of the boxes?
 
fiat500 said:
It is the DVLA form, just arrived with me, that has to be filled in to apply for an age-related registration number when you don't have a V5c. It applies when an old car is imported and needs filling in conjunction with a V765 if you want to reclaim an existing, unrecorded, old number.
Anyone who has seen one will know that the layout and terminology is very confusing and the amount of detail needed about the car's structure and design is crazy.
So I am asking, has anyone successfully submitted one of these and did they put "N/A" in most of the boxes?
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Hi!

I've just filled one out for my 1970 500L which has just been imported from Calabria.
Although I cannot claim it has been successful as I called dvla yesterday for an update and they told me it was on its way back to me (apparently I forgot to sign it!! Typical!) most sections I left blank. If you read the guide, basically anything that says you can take the information from the certificate of conformity you can leave blank. However, I was advised by dvla that on section 50 or so, you need to say that the car is over 10 years old and therfore does not require a certificate of conformity.

Hope this helps?
 
That's quite helpful. I was going to send mine along with a V765 which is the application to retain an old reg. no. but I am fed up waiting for confirmation from the club verifier. I just sent it anyway chancing it that I will get a reg. and can start driving it. I can apply for the original number later. I gave an exact date for registration so I hope that satsfies the conformity question.
How long has it taken you so far?
Chers, Peter.
 
Hi Peter,

I sent it off last Friday, and called dvla yesterday for an update. They told me it had been posted back to me Thursday as I had not signed the declaration part. So if that was signed (can't believe I missed that!) they would've sent out the new reg then so I'm guessing it's around a week and a half from when you post it off to them. Then apparently the new v5 follows a week or so later, but you don't need that to get the plates made up.
 
Hi Peter,

How you getting on with this?

Just thought I'd let you know I received my licence plate number and v5 on Friday, so just ordered my plates online tonight.
 
Very jealous!
I got my form returned after a couple of weeks and was told that I hadn't given evidence of the car's age and that the chassis number on the MOT certificate was different from the one I was quoting from the chassis plate.
It turned out that the MOT man had misread the number but it wasn't just a case of the garage re-inputting the data.
So I am now back to square one, after a visit to DVSA, with updated and additional information being posted off today.
 
Sorry to hear that Peter, I am sure you will get there eventually.
On a very selfish note, it would be very helpful if you or Ciccio could put together some precise details on how to get a classic car registered.
Not that I have any cars needing registering
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:) :) :)
Am I the best to write a "How-to" Sean? Me not having great success unlike Ciccio.
Registering an import almost seems easier since you have more evidence of the car's existence and age, which is what DVLA are looking for.
You do need to have NOVA certificate for an import and not having can result in fines adding up.
I will write up what I have learned in a proper guide when I get the chance:idea:.:bang:
 
I agree with Peter,

It does seem easier to register an import providing you have all the original documents.

Although I'm lead to believe that if you take a chalk rub off the engine plate and send it to one of the 500 clubs they may be able to verify the car for you.

Registering an import goes as follows:

1- sign up to hmrc online and complete the nova declaration. For this you will need the purchase price, year of manufacture, vehicle details, import date etc.

2- mot car (preferably using a garage with someone who is classic sympathetic and didn't learn their trade at college 5 years ago working on novas and fiestas!)

3- fill out v55/5 leaving blank any field that says "you can find this information on the certificate of conformity " in the guide which comes with the form. You need to declare on section 50 or so that the car is over 10 years old and therfore does not require a certificate of conformity (oh and make sure you sign the deceleration on the back of the form unlike me!!)

4 - send off mot, original log book, v55/5, photo copy of your driving licence or passport, photocopying of a utility bill, and a cheque for £55 to dvla.

This should be it, hopefully after about a week you should receive a letter with confirmation of your new reg and your new v5 (they come separately but they both arrived the same day for me) they also sent me back the original Italian log book which is a nice keepsake!

Hope this helps?
 
Eloquently described!

The V55/5 is not downloadable because it has a carbon copy. You order online and it arrives in a week or so.
If you want to try to get back an original registration number which belonged to the car before 1983 but for which it doesn't have a V5C you need another, very simple form which is downloadable. This is the V765 which needs a signature and official stamp of an approved, usually a one-make car club. The designated representative of the club has to sign to say that they have seen the car, checked the chassis number and can verify that the car is of the type and age you claim. They are supposed to do that in person but may have alternative ways to assure themselves of the veracity of your car.

The completed V765 can be sent at the same time as the V55/5 and the age and original number evidence. If you don't have something like an old fashioned logbook then a new can of worms is opened. If successful you will get the original number back. They may feel the evidence is weak and award an age related number. You can send the V765 at some later date.

If your car has no registration number you are able to legally drive to a pre-arranged MOT. You must be insured and you ask for the car to be insured on the chassis number. You don't need road tax. You will only have limited cover for one month at a time and this is for MOT and DVLA/DVSA purposes only, so no sneaky driving about at night. ;)

In these circumstances the MOT should also be recorded on the chassis number. This is where things went wrong for me when the inspector got the number wrong. When a car is registered the computer will prompt if a wrong combination is inputted,. As my car technically, doesn't exist, the computer didn't say No"
My application has stalled because of the recent death of a key figure at the one-make car club handling my approval so I will be happy to get any number.
 
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I suppose in this modern day of technology there would be nothing stopping the club representative from viewing the car on a mobile app like FaceTime or Skype as you walk home around the car on your mobile and showing him the chassis number etc...... That is of course if you can get a decent signal!!!!
 
A useful contact for verifying vehicle details is the 'Homologation Executive' at Fiat UK. They cannot verify ENGINE age, but they can help with CHASSIS age. When I bought my 500 I was told that it had a '594' engine (thought it was mighty quick for a 594)--he was able to confirm vehicle age and engine size (652). If you are having problem with the club representative (or you don't belong to a club) this could be a useful contact. I do have a contact phone number, but I am not going to put it into the public domain---if that number is required, contact me direct please.
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That's very useful information about the Fiat homologation. I think I read somewhere else that the person at Fiat was very helpful.

I do (did; now sent off to DVLA:mad:) have proof of the age of the car in the form of an old VE logbook, I just avoided sending it away the first time I applied on the assumption that it was self-evident that a car which has not been produced for over 40 years must be over 40 years old. Duh, DVLA man!
It seems that the criteria for obtaining any registration number, whether the original or not, are almost equally exacting.

Fiat obviously charge a fee for their services and any car club that verifies a car's age will also charge. They aren't able to force you to join the club but can make it financially attractive to do so.
 
Fiat made no charge to me, nor did they charge my colleague who was trying to re-register a 600 that had been off the road for 40 years--in both cases the advice and assistance was 1st class
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Tom, the guy you dealt with at Fiat is no longer there. I have tried to find out his replacement but have had no luck as yet.
Good luck with the move
Damian
 
I have a contact at Fiat in Italy Peter. He is in the Fiat Archive department. I emailed him and got a reply the following day. Do you want me to PM the email address.
Tony
 
My latest information is that Tim has retired (turned out that we had a colleague in common with a canal-boat--small old world innit?)--my colleague spoke to his replacement who was very helpful---sorry, I don't know his name.
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