plane misses runway at Heathrow
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just watching that on the news now... dude on phone whos there got asked by news telly man "can you confirm is just an aviation accident and is not terror related"
yes.. thats the terrorists next move... we shall force a plan to land a little short of a run way... and make 3 or 4 people break thier fingers or have asthma attacks!
yes.. thats the terrorists next move... we shall force a plan to land a little short of a run way... and make 3 or 4 people break thier fingers or have asthma attacks!
that's sneaky of them! anything that happens is terrorists now!
undercarriage failure, pilot landed short on purpose to make sure plane stopped early enough.
undercarriage failure, pilot landed short on purpose to make sure plane stopped early enough.
Eyewitness John Rowland said: "The plane's wheels collapsed, doors were flown open.
"On its approach it took the runway too low, just missing the roof of my cab.
"It crashed into the runway, debris was flying everywhere, there was an enormous bang and it skidded sideways."
i still remember first time i drove along the a30, southside of the airport, caught a movement out to my right, looked over and up, and watched the underbelly of a giant freaking 747 pass what seemed like a few feet over me, very cool!
"On its approach it took the runway too low, just missing the roof of my cab.
"It crashed into the runway, debris was flying everywhere, there was an enormous bang and it skidded sideways."
i still remember first time i drove along the a30, southside of the airport, caught a movement out to my right, looked over and up, and watched the underbelly of a giant freaking 747 pass what seemed like a few feet over me, very cool!
could be windshear, eye witnesses say it was going slow and dropped out the sky and..
EGLL 171320Z 22016KT 9999 BKN014 BKN020 11/09 Q0996 TEMPO 24020G32KT 6000 SHRA BKN015CB
EGLL 171320Z 22016KT 9999 BKN014 BKN020 11/09 Q0996 TEMPO 24020G32KT 6000 SHRA BKN015CB
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Untranslated 'puter speak lol!
aviation weather report
EGLL = London Heathrow
171320Z = Observation taken on 17th at 1320.
22016KT = Surface wind from 220 degrees at 16 knots
9999 = Visibility >10Km
BKN014 BKN020= Cloud broken at 1400ft and 2000ft
11/09 = Temperature +07C, Dewpoint +09C
Q0996 = QNH 996 millibars (atmospheric pressure at sea level)
TEMPO 24020G32KT = Temporary periods - surface wind from 240 degrees at 20 knots gusting up to 32 knots.
6000 = Visibility 6Km
SHRA = Showers of rain
BKN015CB = cloud broken at 1500ft - Cumulonimbus
though it's 40mins after BBC reported it crashed.
171320Z = Observation taken on 17th at 1320.
22016KT = Surface wind from 220 degrees at 16 knots
9999 = Visibility >10Km
BKN014 BKN020= Cloud broken at 1400ft and 2000ft
11/09 = Temperature +07C, Dewpoint +09C
Q0996 = QNH 996 millibars (atmospheric pressure at sea level)
TEMPO 24020G32KT = Temporary periods - surface wind from 240 degrees at 20 knots gusting up to 32 knots.
6000 = Visibility 6Km
SHRA = Showers of rain
BKN015CB = cloud broken at 1500ft - Cumulonimbus
though it's 40mins after BBC reported it crashed.
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just watching it on bbc news 
anyone ever seen the film airplane
anyone ever seen the film airplane
The captain said he lost all power......
Wonder if Fiat provided the electronics to Boeing?
Wonder if Fiat provided the electronics to Boeing?
maybe some kryptonite struck the plane
wayne and waynetta slob werent on it were they
I thought for a second that was an ACARS transmission. Nope.
TBH Ive been thinking unless there was some extraordinary atmospheric effects going on theres no way the ILS vector could be that far out, although from about 10 000ft the pilot would be flying it himself (although it COULD land and stop* itself without their intervention).
Reports claim the plane lost all power and had to glide in. The odds of having to In Flight Shut Down both engines is very very remote (1 in 10 000 000 or thereabouts if not greater under FAR25), although having to IFSD one is more plausible (1 in 100 000 000), and an ETOPS requirement is adequate power to TOGA (Take Off Go Around) on one engine.
My thoughts involve a very late IFSD on one engine then a later decision to power out and TOGA (a turbine of that size will take 5-10 secs to spool to full power), odds are EVERYTHING would stall (engine and wings), lift would disappear then it'd just slide along the grass. But Im not investigating so I can only speculate with some specialist knowledge.
That pilot's amazing though. Im surprised it wasnt more messy than that.
* I think - I know some newer Airbus FBW ones can.
I am impressed you know how to decode TAF/METAR information.
Also like your early theory on windshear, was mine as well before seeing it on the news, low level windshear can make aircraft drop/climb hundreds of feet in a few seconds with little a pilot can do.
Arse also showing good understanding, though never thought it would be an ILS problem, there are protected areas with ILS and that's only because you can come in too high which means too steep a decent slope, but never too low as you intercept ILS radiating signals from below and from a closing heading of no more than 40degrees, never from the staright ahead to again prvent those sort of problems.
Vectors are what I give pilots to turn there plane i.e "Thompson 28P turn left heading 260 degrees, closing the localiser from the left, when established descend on the ILS" or "Netjet 2A turn right heading 320degrees" etc
AAIB (Air Accident Investigation Branch) will release all there findings once found as per all aircraft incidents and accidents.
Thankfully, although it was serious, it was not as serious as it could have been.
its good to know that every one is trained well, so when things do go tits up everyone gets out quite safe
1 bloke on the news said a possibility is it was a flock of geese all went into engines at same time, they not heard of mesh can get it off ebay
1 bloke on the news said a possibility is it was a flock of geese all went into engines at same time, they not heard of mesh
can get it off ebay
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Apparently just before the BA Boeing 777 left China, two men dressed in pilot's uniforms walked up the aisle of the plane. Both are wearing dark glasses, one was using a guide dog, and the other tapped his way along the aisle with a cane.
Nervous laughter spread through the cabin, but the men entered the cockpit, the door closed, and the engines started up. The passengers seemed a bit nervous and begin glancing around, searching for some sign that this is just a little practical joke. None was forthcoming. The plane took off OK so everyone relaxed, until they approached Heathrow for landing that is. The plane moved closer and closer to the ground on approach, barely skimming the taxis on the M4, and flying faster and faster as it approached Hatton Cross. The people sitting in the window seats realize they're falling short and might not reach the runway, and as it begins to look as though the plane will plough into ground on the approach, panicked screams fill the cabin.
At that moment, the plane lifts and glides onto the grass at the end of the runway, snapping the undercarriage off like matchsticks. The cabin crew throw the doors open and the passengers flee from the aircraft.
In the cockpit, one of the blind pilots turns to the other and says, "You know, Bob, one of these days, they're gonna scream too late and we're all gonna die".
Nervous laughter spread through the cabin, but the men entered the cockpit, the door closed, and the engines started up. The passengers seemed a bit nervous and begin glancing around, searching for some sign that this is just a little practical joke. None was forthcoming. The plane took off OK so everyone relaxed, until they approached Heathrow for landing that is. The plane moved closer and closer to the ground on approach, barely skimming the taxis on the M4, and flying faster and faster as it approached Hatton Cross. The people sitting in the window seats realize they're falling short and might not reach the runway, and as it begins to look as though the plane will plough into ground on the approach, panicked screams fill the cabin.
At that moment, the plane lifts and glides onto the grass at the end of the runway, snapping the undercarriage off like matchsticks. The cabin crew throw the doors open and the passengers flee from the aircraft.
In the cockpit, one of the blind pilots turns to the other and says, "You know, Bob, one of these days, they're gonna scream too late and we're all gonna die".
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i have to confess, i cheated. I knew what a bit of it meant, but someone explained the rest to me. The windshear was theory was just me though, but they're saying on the news now it just lost all power from the engines
