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j.a.kelly

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Hi there ppl!!

Great site!!

Lookin at buyin a 1992 Panda Fizz (999cc Fire) for my sis/my 2nd car!! would be gratefull for anythin i should look out for, and can i have everyones general oppinion on Pandas please?!! I think that they are top, n certain to be classics at some point in the future!!

Not driven one yet tho!! The car will replace our much loved B-reg "classic" lol Micra. I currently drive an 03 plate (the new shape) micra

look forward to readin your posts!!

cheers

JAMES

* 2003 Nissan Micra E
* 1985 Nissan Micra GL
* 1992 Panda Fizz - I HOPE!
 
Welcome to the site.

The Panda you're looking at is about the optimum age to buy:
no catalyser, or engine elctronics, pre '93.
better rustproofing post '90.

Look for rust everywhere:
The doors may well have some in the back edges.
Hopefully none in the boot under the mat at the outer edges.
Check also the sills.

Look for a service history (no chance) and low number of owners.
Hopefully the last one has owned it for years.

Check the drivers seat for wear, if it's nearly worn through it's had a fair bit of use.

Brakes will be a bit of a shock - hard pedal is fairly easy to sort out: soft spongey pedal may be master cylinder - getting in short supply now...

Gearbox - likely to have weak synchro on third. Check the inboard driveshaft boots for leaking. They're cheap but awkward to replace, and they let alll the gearbox oil out: it kills the gearbox, eventually.

Engine - check for oil leaks: it will have some. Colour of oil gives you a clue of servicing. Mayo under filler cap gives clue of cold running or haed gasket problems.
Check coolant colour - should be green or blue. Rusty or clear water is bad, as is oily film.

Check the heater works.

Check all electrics work.

Check the handbrake.

I'm sure there's plenty I've forgotten for now...


Regards


John H
 
eek jus a few things then - maybe not a good plan!!

are they really unreliable n hard to find parts for??

* 2003 Nissan Micra E
* 1985 Nissan Micra GL
* 1992 Panda Fizz - I HOPE!
 
A neglected one can take a bit of work to sort it out.

Once it's sorted out, and routinely looked after, it should give good service for years, rust permitting:
I look after 2.

The first one ( a '90 CL), had been run with virtually no money spent on it for years before we got it - I didn't know this when we bought it.

During the first week I did these things to it:
4 new tyres
inner driveshaft boots, and gearbox oil
engine oil and filter change
air filter change
spark plugs and leads changed
distributor vacuum advance changed
front brake calipers cleaned up, and new brake pads.
oil pressure light switch changed.
camshaft belt
alternator belt
100 ml batch of paint mixed up (obsolete colour - about 8UKP)

That probably cost abouy 150 UKP all up, 80 of which was the tyres.

2 1/2 years on, all it's had is oil and filter every 6 months (17UKP), air filter annually (6UKP). It romps through the MOT, and has only failed to start once when the battery died ( 28 UPK).
It also had the exhaust downpipe rust away (about 40 UKP ??)

If it had been looked after a bit more, and not had the ugliest mix of virtually bald tyres on it you've ever seen, it would have cost a lot less.

Oh, yes, I almost forgot - just under 5 UKP for a tube of araldite to stick the headlight mounting pegs back on, and repair the raditor fan mounting bracket, and repair the radiator grille back together when my eldest ran it up the back of another car [:0]

Conversely, my '93 CLX...

Had the following:
vacuum advance unit. (13UKP)
set of Lancia Y10 front seats ( because the drivers' seat was worn through... 40 UKP)
set of disks and pads ( 30 UKP)
metal coolant pipe (9 UKP)
drivers seatbelt (66 UKP)
oil and filters (23 UKP)
injector cleaner. (5 UKP)
gearbox oil. (8 UKP)

It has had the following failures-
electronic distributor (stops when hot - 20UKP second hand, you can pay a lot more though)
top hose worn through by clutch actuating arm!
wiper motor intermittant ( repaired with big soldering iron - but the fault took some finding )
intermittant lefthand indicator ( hacked wiring by previous "auto-electricians" adding and removing an alarm..)
horn (13UKP)
horn ring (2.91 UKP) see also the thread here about the horn, and its earth via the ignition switch..
Anything I've forgotten about will be on this forum somewhere, if you search in the panda section against my name.

It might look alarming, but if you can find one which has been looked after a bit it shouldn't be too expensive to run.

But, Just look at those costs in relation to
a tankful of fuel,
the tax disk,
or your insurance.


Regarding spare parts:

Everything I've needed has been available - my comment about the master cylinder is there because somebody in Wales couldn't get a new one there at some point during 2003.

The Panda has been "not for sale" in the UK since '95, although in Europe they were still available up to 2003, and ISTR manufacturers are obliged to provide spares for 5 years beyond end of production - so in the UK you're pushing your luck a bit:)

I hope I haven't frightened you off - but I'm being brutally honest:I
 
not frightened off at all, i still think it's an amazin little car, and ive always wanted one!! The car shouldnt be in too bad condition, there is no rust so looks like it may have been garraged most of its life. Its a K-reg, done 59k miles and generally looks in good condition bar a few light scratches!! Its from a trader, and is up at £595, already bargained to £520.

will probably still go ahead with the purchase then, will report back and get some pics up, providing it isnt gone by monday!! Thanx very much for ya help!!

* 2003 Nissan Micra E
* 1985 Nissan Micra GL
* 1992 Panda Fizz - I HOPE!
 
On a "K" plate make sure it is registered '92, not '93, as "K" covers both years.

You get a lot of complications and (potential) expense with the engine management, catalyser, etc from Jan '93.

A good clue will be a choke knob to the left of the steering wheel. But that's not to say it isn't a '93 which has been (illegally) reverted to carb operation.

The other point is the cost from the dealer - it's expensive by private sale standards, but he has a business to run and presumably gives you some guarantee...


Good luck.


John H

P.S. If you want to push your luck a bit, tell the trader the camshaft belt should be done at 60,000 - see if he'll do it. (It should have been done at least once already on an age basis, but probably wasn't..)

Don't worry if he won't.
If the belt breaks it doesn't damage this particular engine :D and it's just a couple of hours work to fit another.
They cost anywhere from 8 to 15 UKP depending on where you source them.
 
I don't agree about what John's preference for the carburettor vs injection: the carb compells you to use the choke knob at every "cold" startup, and this is a bit tedious stuff, at least from my point of view;)!Then the fuel consumption is undoubtely reduced with the electonic management, even if some people refer a loss of performances in the kat modelsB)...don't know how true it is!Of course a failure in the system will be more complicate to sort, and usually more expensive than repairing/cleaning/setting a carburettor but I'm still happy with my 1.0fire kat [8D]!Now a little list of the failures and expenses for the blue Panda since 1997:

throttle body bought at a scrappy and fitted for 100€ (I've been fortunate,as it costs 350€ new!);
breakerless module and Hall sensor;
all the shock absorbers;
both the tracking arms;
a set of pads;
rear cylinders and shoes;
master brake cylinder;
driveshafts' gaiters;
water pump;
radiator;
thermostat;
plus the basic manteinance, oil-s.plugs-filters etc...:).

I don't want to scare you with all those problems, but mind daddy bought this car by 3rd hand, with 35'000miles on the clock, while now it displays 77'000mls...I think I can't pretend a lot more reliability;)!

Passion has neither brands nor models!

La passione non ha nè marche nè modelli!
 
Ok.
I'd agree the electronic management - when it's all doing it's stuff - is easier to live with (no choke to play with) and gives better economy.

But, price up a catalyser:
there are two quoted for early Pandas, a pattern replacement costs over 100 UKP or over 200 UKP depending on type.

The ECU on mine has a book FIAT price over 400 UKP.

The throttle body is a sack full of cash too.

How much is the electric fuel pump?

Not forgetting the Lambda sensor - a snip at 50+ UKP for a decent one.

Contrast with
mechanical fuel pump,
carburettor,
choke cable,
and a set of points (if you keep the old distributor (which is replaceable with the unreliable:p electronic one that doesn't need adjusting)).


None of which matters when your sills rust away[xx(]

(The CL had its death sentence today - beyond economic repair - so you'll have to excuse me being a bit grumpy[:(!] )
 
That's a tricky question to answer:)

There are plenty of older ones about, but this particular specimen spent some of its earlier days running up and down heavily salted motorways:(

Also Pandas seem a little bit variable where they rust - this one (which I might add isn't mine to sell or butcher) on the plus side has:

doors without rust.
synchromesh on third gear[:0]
a 1 year old battery
nice fiat wheel trims
my 155 tyres ( off the CLX)
an engine that pulls like a train
reasonable seats
no sentimental value


On the minus side:

it has way too much rust in the body shell.
a clutch which is getting a bit near the top.
the gearbox is a bit grumbly as it had no oil at all in it when we got it.
 
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