Technical Ducato Fault code P1581-15 Blow-by heater

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Technical Ducato Fault code P1581-15 Blow-by heater

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Anybody know how to replace the Blow-by heater on a Ducato? I think it is also known as crankcase oil vapour heater. I have just got back from a short trip and the engine check light came on most of the way. Multiecuscan shows fault P1581-15. tried clearing but it comes right back.
 
Model
Rapido V55 on Ducato PVC 130
Year
2017
Mileage
2960
The heater and associated hosing varies by year, though I think by year yours is likely to be the arrangement detailed in the thread here:


(persevere with reading as it has several themes - the lower half of post #4 and post #5 (for part number) are relevant).

You should be able to compare the pictures with your engine. The earlier (Euro 5) engines had a different layout which looks rather more difficult to access.

If it is that layout, then it should be reasonably easy to fix. It's all doable from above the engine (maybe with a few skinned knuckles), the worst part is probably removing the reasonably accessible single-use Fiat hose clip.
 
The heater and associated hosing varies by year, though I think by year yours is likely to be the arrangement detailed in the thread here:


(persevere with reading as it has several themes - the lower half of post #4 and post #5 (for part number) are relevant).

You should be able to compare the pictures with your engine. The earlier (Euro 5) engines had a different layout which looks rather more difficult to access.

If it is that layout, then it should be reasonably easy to fix. It's all doable from above the engine (maybe with a few skinned knuckles), the worst part is probably removing the reasonably accessible single-use Fiat hose clip.
I do not know whether it applies on x250 and later models, but on my x244 2.8jtd, the clips are reuseable "Easyclik". These can be removed with suitable pliers. I have two pairs of pliers an prefer the more expensive version with swivel heads, of which Laser 4231 are an example.

On my vehicle Easyclik clips are fitted on low pressure air inlet locations, and some coolant hoses. There were what appeared to be use once clamps around the intercooler, these were replaced in preparation for a task that I managed to avoid.
 
Anybody know how to replace the Blow-by heater on a Ducato? I think it is also known as crankcase oil vapour heater. I have just got back from a short trip and the engine check light came on most of the way. Multiecuscan shows fault P1581-15. tried clearing but it comes right back.
 
Thanks to Jaymackery : I will try your method of checks and possible answers. not sure if the heater unit is readily available for quick delivery but will search.
 
Well, my recent checks with Multiecuscan have thrown up a (intermittent) stored code of P1581-15. The EML hasn't illuminated, but clearing the code has seen it re-appear in short order.

In order to potentially pre-empt further issues I've replaced the blow-by heater by reference to the thread I posted up above.

On the twin-egr engine it is, in theory at least, fairly simple, with all parts and fitments accessible without too much trouble. In practice it's fiddly, and you're in for skinned knuckles/arms/hands.

The one hose clamp to remove may in theory be possible with circlip pliers, but the available clearance (combined with the angular positioning of the crimp on mine) would make that virtually impossible. I removed mine by levering the tabs with a (several) screwdriver(s), with the restricted clearance and orientation meaning it took some time.

The electrical connection is relatively simple, but access and visibility aren't the best. The connector slides from its plastic stud mount by pulling in the direction of the input lead (i.e. away from the heater connection), and it's easier to disconnect once this is done.

As in the link, the heater itself is a click-fit into the other (vertical) hose - a similar concept to quick fit water connections. The yellow part is a retaining collar with two release tabs. On mine one was easy to release, but the other was underneath, out of sight and inhibited by the heater body. By reference to the new part it became clear that I could get a very thin screwdriver between the collar and the heater body and easily lever it to release it. The heater lifted out fairly easily.

The re-fitting is simply a reverse process. The (one) hose on the part is pretty stiff so manoeuvring everything into position to get it connected is a trial and error process (the collared end simply slots into place, the collar being chamfered to enable push-fit), and I used a new s/s worm drive clamp at the crankcase connection (just under 25mm dia).

It wasn't difficult, but it was fiddly. It would have been a lot quicker, however, if I hadn't dropped the new clamp down the back of the engine at the first attempt of refitting. I should have tightened it round the hose neck until I'd got it mounted and then loosened and slid it forward into place, but there isn't much clear hose length to do so. It took me a long time with an inspection light and mirror to locate it (nicely out of reach) and numerous attempts at retrieving it with a probe ended up with it clinking off somewhere else, accompanied by much swearing!. Luckily, when I got the inspection light back on, it had fallen in plain sight.

The part isn't cheap, but the repair is well within the capabilities of a home mechanic.

Of course, being pre-emptive might mean I haven't fixed the (a) problem, but as of yet the code hasn't reappeared.
 
Well, my recent checks with Multiecuscan have thrown up a (intermittent) stored code of P1581-15. The EML hasn't illuminated, but clearing the code has seen it re-appear in short order.

In order to potentially pre-empt further issues I've replaced the blow-by heater by reference to the thread I posted up above.

On the twin-egr engine it is, in theory at least, fairly simple, with all parts and fitments accessible without too much trouble. In practice it's fiddly, and you're in for skinned knuckles/arms/hands.

The one hose clamp to remove may in theory be possible with circlip pliers, but the available clearance (combined with the angular positioning of the crimp on mine) would make that virtually impossible. I removed mine by levering the tabs with a (several) screwdriver(s), with the restricted clearance and orientation meaning it took some time.

The electrical connection is relatively simple, but access and visibility aren't the best. The connector slides from its plastic stud mount by pulling in the direction of the input lead (i.e. away from the heater connection), and it's easier to disconnect once this is done.

As in the link, the heater itself is a click-fit into the other (vertical) hose - a similar concept to quick fit water connections. The yellow part is a retaining collar with two release tabs. On mine one was easy to release, but the other was underneath, out of sight and inhibited by the heater body. By reference to the new part it became clear that I could get a very thin screwdriver between the collar and the heater body and easily lever it to release it. The heater lifted out fairly easily.

The re-fitting is simply a reverse process. The (one) hose on the part is pretty stiff so manoeuvring everything into position to get it connected is a trial and error process (the collared end simply slots into place, the collar being chamfered to enable push-fit), and I used a new s/s worm drive clamp at the crankcase connection (just under 25mm dia).

It wasn't difficult, but it was fiddly. It would have been a lot quicker, however, if I hadn't dropped the new clamp down the back of the engine at the first attempt of refitting. I should have tightened it round the hose neck until I'd got it mounted and then loosened and slid it forward into place, but there isn't much clear hose length to do so. It took me a long time with an inspection light and mirror to locate it (nicely out of reach) and numerous attempts at retrieving it with a probe ended up with it clinking off somewhere else, accompanied by much swearing!. Luckily, when I got the inspection light back on, it had fallen in plain sight.

The part isn't cheap, but the repair is well within the capabilities of a home mechanic.

Of course, being pre-emptive might mean I haven't fixed the (a) problem, but as of yet the code hasn't reappeared.
If you are referring to "Ezyclik" hose clamps as used on some hoses on my x244, then perhaps "Laser 4231 pliers" would help. Link to eBay here.
I have a pair and spend nore time working out which way to apply them, than on actually removing ,or replacing the clips.
 
No, not Ezyclik as I can find pictures of. It's this design.

Various instructions (including some found on here) advise removal by levering up the two side tabs, followed by the same action on the open end of the underlying tab. It worked, though as said there was restricted clearance for such leverage, especially as the clip had been mounted with the tabs nowhere near the top..

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No, not Ezyclik as I can find pictures of. It's this design.

Various instructions (including some found on here) advise removal by levering up the two side tabs, followed by the same action on the open end of the underlying tab. It worked, though as said there was restricted clearance for such leverage, especially as the clip had been mounted with the tabs nowhere near the top..

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Thanks for photo. I understand the problem. In a similar vein, earlier ths year in preparation for other work, I replaced four difficult to remove clips in the vicinity of the intercooler. Replacements were stainless steel, worm drive type. The heads are now positined for easy access.
 
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