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Has anyone else had a problem with a dual logic 500 stalling? It's happened twice now just after I start the car when I brake at the end of my road......
Technical Dual logic - stalling
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Technical Dual logic - stalling
Check your manual to see as to whether it's meant to shift out of gear when you brake and come to a stop.
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I have a dual logic on my 1.2 lounge. Have had it 3 months and it's never stalled - so I suggest you have it checked out. It's all electronic & should step down to 1st gear when you stop - even if you are in manual mode.
It took me about 3 months to get used to the drive. I wouldn't get another one though. Hope this helps!
It took me about 3 months to get used to the drive. I wouldn't get another one though.
Hope this helps!
It took me about 3 months to get used to the drive. I wouldn't get another one though.
Out of interest - what didn't you like about the dualogic?
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I have a dualogic. Compared to my last automatic it's neat in some ways, not so good in others. Just in the past few days it has frightened me a couple of times by almost stalling as I pull away at a junction. It is slow to shift down to 1st when I slow down so I find myself trying to pull away in 2nd. Then it realises it needs to be in 1st and there's a nasty little delay while it hiccups into the right gear. This isn't very safe when trying to join a busy stream of traffic. So I've started using the gear shift to be sure. This isn't a hardship, as there's no clutch pedal to deal with and no gear shift positions to worry about, but that's not really the point, is it? It should work without my intervention. I'm going to monitor it for a while and if it continues I suppose we'll be paying the dealer a little visit.
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I have a 1.4 dualogic, when changing up in auto mode from 1 to 2 gear it tends to be slow and lurches into gear. When entering a roundabout for example at a slow speed (5-10 mph) it can hesitate as you try to accelerate for a second or two, I am told this is normal. When used as a manual it is very good, smooth changes up and down the box and nice not to have a clutch pedal so you can stretch out your left leg. Overall I prefer it to a basic manual.
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It seems mariacallas and I have the same problem with this auto gearbox and yes it can be very scary when pulling out in front of other vehicles. My Dealer tells me this is normal as it is an electronic auto and does not have a torque converter as would a normal auto. In manual mode the hesitation problem doesn't exist. Any comments from other duelogic owners woul be helpfull
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Yes, I'm having that problem too and it can be very dangerous. I'm now making sure I stop completely rather than risk it but have considered moving it to manual to overcome that!
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mm - yes - I also agree - I kind of have to help it along when I'm pulling out of the junction & I need a bit of oomph.
I know now that I have to change it down if I need more power- even for overtaking - it takes far too long to think about what's going on - I'd rather tell it what I want...and it's taken me 3 months to settle down with it & getting used to it. You need to learn to live with it.
The other issue is: I also have a 59 plate Kia Picanto 1.1. It's far more responsive than the 1.2 Fiat- in any comparable gear. I hate to admit it, but it's more fun to drive than the 500, despite costing less than half what I paid for the 500.... I can't help thinking that maybe the gearbox has something to do with it. I know I'm not comparing apples with apples and all that but....
I know now that I have to change it down if I need more power- even for overtaking - it takes far too long to think about what's going on - I'd rather tell it what I want...and it's taken me 3 months to settle down with it & getting used to it. You need to learn to live with it.
The other issue is: I also have a 59 plate Kia Picanto 1.1. It's far more responsive than the 1.2 Fiat- in any comparable gear. I hate to admit it, but it's more fun to drive than the 500, despite costing less than half what I paid for the 500.... I can't help thinking that maybe the gearbox has something to do with it. I know I'm not comparing apples with apples and all that but....
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Has anyone else had a problem with a dual logic 500 stalling? It's happened twice now just after I start the car when I brake at the end of my road......
Huh, that exact thing happened to me today. I got to the end of the road and the engine just died. I take it this is a worsening of the lurching that's been happening for a couple of weeks when pulling out at junctions. I really will have to take it back to the dealer. How has yours been, Foxyfletch?
Needs to be taken to dealer to have clutch biting point re-allined to compensate for wear etc
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Just a word about the general use of a dualogic, not about the stalling.
I'm amazed it took you chattoyalater three months (!) to get used to the drive..... it took me half an hour.
The dualogic is very clever and changes (well) gears accordingly as long as you are a gentle driver. True it does need a bit of oomph at times but it is hardly dangerous methink. The only reproach I could make comes from the lack of power (I knew what to expect when signing for a 69hp), certainly not the changes of gears.
Until recently I was on a regular auto with 115 hp, yet I much prefer the gradual approach of the dualogic, then again I am a cruiser more than a boy racer.
Nobody has mentionned the E mode, now that makes it verrrrry slow and isn't right gear-wise imo, it seems confused and the sole point of it ss to slow down to the extreme for economy's sake, too slow to follow the traffic and that makes me uncomfortable, so I just don't use it.
So overall I'm delighted with the technology (an automatic that doesn't drink half your tank at every traffic light, just brilliant) now touch wood for reliablity and longevity, and good luck for those with the stalling issue.
I'm amazed it took you chattoyalater three months (!) to get used to the drive..... it took me half an hour.
The dualogic is very clever and changes (well) gears accordingly as long as you are a gentle driver. True it does need a bit of oomph at times but it is hardly dangerous methink. The only reproach I could make comes from the lack of power (I knew what to expect when signing for a 69hp), certainly not the changes of gears.
Until recently I was on a regular auto with 115 hp, yet I much prefer the gradual approach of the dualogic, then again I am a cruiser more than a boy racer.
Nobody has mentionned the E mode, now that makes it verrrrry slow and isn't right gear-wise imo, it seems confused and the sole point of it ss to slow down to the extreme for economy's sake, too slow to follow the traffic and that makes me uncomfortable, so I just don't use it.
So overall I'm delighted with the technology (an automatic that doesn't drink half your tank at every traffic light, just brilliant) now touch wood for reliablity and longevity, and good luck for those with the stalling issue.
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Needs to be taken to dealer to have clutch biting point re-allined to compensate for wear etc
Wear? It's only two months old!
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Do you drive a 1.4? Mine doesn't have E mode.
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"I'm amazed it took you chattoyalater three months (!) to get used to the drive..... it took me half an hour. "
In my defense, I covered 600 miles in those 3 months as I have 2 other cars & a bike. And getting used to driving means - mine doesn't lurch when I join junctions- because now I anticipate what the engine will do, and adjust my driving accordingly.(shift it down, give it some welly & bob's your uncle)
Eco mode is rubbish (think it's only the 1.2). Waste of time. It's hellbent on driving in 5th gear. Even at 20 mph. Kinda thought they'd develop it to make sure the engine won't labor at low speeds. but hey, what do I know...
Haven't had it stalling yet- having said that, it's just covered 1000miles. Guess I don't use it often enough
In my defense, I covered 600 miles in those 3 months as I have 2 other cars & a bike. And getting used to driving means - mine doesn't lurch when I join junctions- because now I anticipate what the engine will do, and adjust my driving accordingly.(shift it down, give it some welly & bob's your uncle
)Eco mode is rubbish (think it's only the 1.2). Waste of time. It's hellbent on driving in 5th gear. Even at 20 mph. Kinda thought they'd develop it to make sure the engine won't labor at low speeds. but hey, what do I know...
Haven't had it stalling yet- having said that, it's just covered 1000miles. Guess I don't use it often enough
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In my defense, I covered 600 miles in those 3 months as I have 2 other cars & a bike. And getting used to driving means - mine doesn't lurch when I join junctions- because now I anticipate what the engine will do, and adjust my driving accordingly.(shift it down, give it some welly & bob's your uncle
Fair enough
Yeah, for the anticipation (at roundabouts in particular) it took me more time to get used to, as you said.
Also as you said the E mode (only on 1.2s I just learned) is always one or two gears above what it should be, and at times being on 4th or 5th uphill with our poor 69hp is painful, and I hate playing gran that sticks the traffic......
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Sorry to re-open an old thread but didn't see the point of starting a new one.
We've had our 1.2 for a month now, covered 600 miles and have noticed that the gear change is very noticable, especially when accelerating from 20 up to 50 (seems to have problems between gears 2 and 3). We've been driving it in E mode with s/s enabled. We are thinking of calling the dealer for them to look at it but wanted to know from everyone else if there gear changes were very noticable before we do (as in the car noticeably slows down and then changes gear).
We've had our 1.2 for a month now, covered 600 miles and have noticed that the gear change is very noticable, especially when accelerating from 20 up to 50 (seems to have problems between gears 2 and 3). We've been driving it in E mode with s/s enabled. We are thinking of calling the dealer for them to look at it but wanted to know from everyone else if there gear changes were very noticable before we do (as in the car noticeably slows down and then changes gear).
Doesn't labour in the Panda dual-logic. Personally prefer eco mode myself. Changes correctly, unlike when its off it seems to drag the changes out un-nessecarily.
Perhaps that just because my normal 'manual' driving style is also for economy so involves early changes?
Can you expand.
Is it banging it into gear?
Making the car shudder etc?
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[QUOTE
Can you expand.
Is it banging it into gear?
Making the car shudder etc?[/QUOTE]
Not shudder or bang but it slows the car down, like I am breaking hard, and then slips into gear.
Just taken it for a quick spin without the Eco mode and it's much better. Nether the less I think it's stupid I have a mode on my car I can't use in case I get whiplash.
Can you expand.
Is it banging it into gear?
Making the car shudder etc?[/QUOTE]
Not shudder or bang but it slows the car down, like I am breaking hard, and then slips into gear.
Just taken it for a quick spin without the Eco mode and it's much better. Nether the less I think it's stupid I have a mode on my car I can't use in case I get whiplash.
Well thats just a silly comment, not like its enguaging the ABS is it
I'm not quite sure what you mean by its slowing the car, and then with the comment about whiplash sounds like its auto breaking?
