General Diesel injector cost

[weaven]

Hi all,
I've got a Suzuki Swift 1.3ddis 2008 with a leaking injector.
Thought I'd ask here as the engine in my car is from the Panda........the garage is telling me that a new injector from Suzuki come in at .......wait for it.................£700.00
They are suggesting that it might just be a leaking seal and that I should try that first which I'm happy to do.........but am wondering if you chaps can tell me the best place to source a cheaper injector (garage said they would price up an aftermarket injector and let me know a cost if I have to do that).

So, any help would be gratefully received.

Thanks

Steve

 

[Peter Pick-Up]

Welcome at FiatForum!

For the injector, look here: www.mister-auto.co.uk

 

[g8rpi]

Hi,
What is the fault or symptoms?

Robert G8RPI.

 

[weaven]

Thanks for that -just checked and there isn't one listed for my car.

List shows chassis numbers up to 005000000 but mine is 0052

Steve

 

[weaven]

Hi,
What is the fault or symptoms?

Robert G8RPI.

Robert,

I'm getting a smell of fuel in the cabin so had the car put up on a ramp to check there was no blowing on the exhaust system and it is fine.

The mechanic then popped the bonnet open and took the engine cover off and showed me the leak around the injector where it meets the block - it's leaking but not badly and gathering in the well around where the injector is seated - his view was to take the injector off and replace the seal then put the injector back on and see if that solved the problem as that would be cheaper than just buying a replacement injector.

Thanks.

 

[koalar]

Aren't they standard 0445110183 injectors

There can be rebuilt so you have options

New
Reconditioned
Second hand

A quick Google search came back with plenty of reasonable options

 

[hawkesey]

Robert,

I'm getting a smell of fuel in the cabin so had the car put up on a ramp to check there was no blowing on the exhaust system and it is fine.

The mechanic then popped the bonnet open and took the engine cover off and showed me the leak around the injector where it meets the block - it's leaking but not badly and gathering in the well around where the injector is seated - his view was to take the injector off and replace the seal then put the injector back on and see if that solved the problem as that would be cheaper than just buying a replacement injector.

Thanks.

Sounds to me that the injector seal is leaking, which is allowing the combustion gasses to exit the cylinder head through instead to going out of the exhaust valve. With the car running you should be able to hear a puffing sound and strong smell of exhaust gasses around the area.

If you where my customer i would be recommending that the injector removed seat cleaned and seal changed (which are usually a soft metal like copper).

 

[weaven]

Sounds to me that the injector seal is leaking, which is allowing the combustion gasses to exit the cylinder head through instead to going out of the exhaust valve. With the car running you should be able to hear a puffing sound and strong smell of exhaust gasses around the area.

If you where my customer i would be recommending that the injector removed seat cleaned and seal changed (which are usually a soft metal like copper).

Hawkesey,
That's what I'm going to do first.
Still choked at the Suzuki cost for a new injector - bloody scandalous!!

I'll keep you posted.

Thanks all for your insight and help.

Steve

 

[portland_bill]

I'm not sure the modern 'common rail' injectors are rebuildable, and they are expensive, but they are precision products.
A bit of searching suggests that not many suppliers have realised that the Suzuki uses the Fiat diesel engine, the link being the tie-up between Fiat and GM, and GM's share in Suzuki.

If the leak is around the injector, it is probably just the seal.
http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/sea...312-319-1-3-d-multijet-75hp_v14008_g3892.html
Very cheap. Quite likely available from your local Bosch specialist. Nice to see Mister Auto listing cross-references across many manufacturers, as the seal is probably common to a standard injector size.
Or for a complete injector:
https://www.carparts4less.co.uk/fuel-injectors
Those are for the Fiat 500, so care needed to select the correct one. Again, your local Bosch specialist may be able to help. Dealers are very narrow minded, always go with OE, with a cost to match.

 

[weaven]

Thanks Bill.
I see you are in Oxon....am not far from you as I live near Witney.

Steve

 

[portland_bill]

Thanks Bill.
I see you are in Oxon....am not far from you as I live near Witney.

Steve

Keep your eyes peeled for the orange Panda, often seen in/near Witney. Be afraid.

 

[Goudrons]

I've pointed this out before, if you've a diesel out of warranty, find a local diesel specialist.
They will save you time, money and aggravation in the long run.

Dealers have no interest in keeping cars going over 6 or 7 years and more often than not, will screw those that keep returning their older vehicles to them for repairs and parts in the hope they give up on them and buy a new/newer one.

VW are perhaps the worst for this.
They sell their cars on the promise of outstanding reliability, all too keen to link and hark back to their ultra reliable models of yesteryear.
Yet the moment it passes the point of reasonable life (in law that's around 6 years) they hammer you at the parts/service desk.

It's why they have, by a long way, more independent specialists than any other manufacturer.

If you are ever in need of a diesel specialist and can't find one, ask a taxi driver (though around London they are probably more likely to point you to a Hybrid specialist!)

 

[weaven]

Well, the injector was removed and the seal replaced.
Pleased to say this has solved the problem and there is no more diesel smell in the car.

The oil light is flashing and I know this is programmed in to the computer in the car and needs to be reset after the service - usually the garage can do this (not a main dealer garage) but this time they can't because it's not included in their new diagnostic kit.
I rang the main dealer who have told me there will be a £40 charge - does anyone know if it can be done without having to incur the cost?
I've looked online but can't find anything other than buying some kit to do it myself.



Thanks.

 

[portland_bill]

Well, the injector was removed and the seal replaced.
Pleased to say this has solved the problem and there is no more diesel smell in the car.

The oil light is flashing and I know this is programmed in to the computer in the car and needs to be reset after the service - usually the garage can do this (not a main dealer garage) but this time they can't because it's not included in their new diagnostic kit.
I rang the main dealer who have told me there will be a £40 charge - does anyone know if it can be done without having to incur the cost?
I've looked online but can't find anything other than buying some kit to do it myself.



Thanks.

There's a wonderful piece of software called MultiECUscan that will do this. But it needs a Windows PC, and some cables, and a licensed copy. A kit of cables will cost around £15 I think (long time since I bought mine), and the licence will cost €50, so more expensive for a one-off, but worth it for ongoing diagnosis and resets.

Or update your profile to include your location, and someone nearby may have this and be willing to reset it for you.

 

[koalar]

There's a wonderful piece of software called MultiECUscan that will do this. But it needs a Windows PC, and some cables, and a licensed copy. A kit of cables will cost around £15 I think (long time since I bought mine), and the licence will cost €50, so more expensive for a one-off, but worth it for ongoing diagnosis and resets.

Or update your profile to include your location, and someone nearby may have this and be willing to reset it for you.

For a Suzuki Swift ??

Original poster posted on here as it has the same injectors

Very confusing



There has to be a way to reset the service light without specialist equipment. YouTube is normally a good bet for the sequence required

 

[weaven]

For a Suzuki Swift ??

Original poster posted on here as it has the same injectors

Very confusing



There has to be a way to reset the service light without specialist equipment. YouTube is normally a good bet for the sequence required

Tis indeed a Suzy Swift - have had a look on YT and internet but as yet cannot find a solution without equipment or garage visit - will keep looking.

Thanks to all again for your suggestions and help.

Steve

 

[jrkitching]

There has to be a way to reset the service light without specialist equipment.

Why?

These days, manufacturers lock down stuff like this specifically to stop folks from resetting service indicators without specialist equipment.

The days when you could do this by operating the controls in some specific sequence are long gone, I'm afraid. I'm not saying I agree with this policy, but it's the way of the modern world.

We in Fiat land are fortunate indeed to have MES; dealer-level diagnostics for an affordable price. I'm not sure what type of third party diagnostic equipment is needed to reset the oil service light on a Swift, but I'd be surprised if it's as cheap as an MES licence + cables.

Not resetting the oil service light is not an option on DPF equipped diesels unless you are prepared to risk serious damage to the engine and emissions control equipment.

 

[irc]

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We in Fiat land are fortunate indeed to have MES; dealer-level diagnostics for an affordable price. I'm not sure what type of third party diagnostic equipment is needed to reset the oil service light on a Swift, but I'd be surprised if it's as cheap as an MES licence + cables.
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I think MES might be able to do it on a Swift 1.3 diesel... anyone tried?

 

[portland_bill]

For a Suzuki Swift ??

Original poster posted on here as it has the same injectors

Very confusing



There has to be a way to reset the service light without specialist equipment. YouTube is normally a good bet for the sequence required

Oops! Not paying enough attention.

Of course MES will not do the Swift.

Only one I could find was MaxiECU, just under £100. Expensive for just the injector reset, but maybe justifiable if further diagnosis may be required later.
https://www.mpm-com.pl/index.php?route=product/product&path=64_74&product_id=224

 

[irc]

I think MES might be able to do it on a Swift 1.3 diesel... anyone tried?

Just had a look at my copy... Suzuki SX4 1.9 and 2.0 are listed but strangely not the 1.3.
Oh well...