Calling all CORGI boys (Ariston Boiler issue)
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Calling all CORGI boys (Ariston Boiler issue)
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So they aren't obliged to fix it once they begin? That's kinda false advertising...
I must admit to being more than a little disappointed with this post. I thought I might be able to find a replacement for my 007 Aston Martin DB5 and FIAT 2300 Coupe that I swapped for a spud gun in 1967, but it's all about gas central heating.....bugger.
"They" wont turn up and fix it then charge you rediculas amounts that's all, like rouge traders will, all work and prices to be agreed it's a 3tired price system, so you can tell them no, but on the other hand you've then found out whats wrong. . . .
But if you 3/4 drain a rad to use it as temp vessel then apply to go on a British gas Homecare two hundred contract, all parts a labor are included and you get it serviced every year anyway for £13 a month.
My brother in laws are on contract basically because even i couldn't fix their boilers cheaper than British gas can, a PCB for one of their boilers is £189,26 and that's trade price to me, so it was cheaper just to put them on contract.
24/7, 365 call out.
This year alone we got 90%+ of customers visited same day they rang in and nearly all of our parts (if we need to order them) will be in our hand 8am next morning (even if we order it at 8pm the night before).
Who else would come out and fix your boiler while you are sitting round eating Christmas dinner?
Because it does happen and I've done it.
My opinion is biased but their is no cheaper way of fixing it IMO . .
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I don't think i can legally post in this thread
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But I'll leave you with two thoughts,
1, if your vessel has gone and your Flue pipe goes out the back, or you have less than half a meter clearance above the boiler, the whole boiler will have to come off the wall (my best time is 3hrs and 27mins to remove and rehang) to fit a new vessel!
2,You don't have to fit a remote vessel where the boiler is fitted, as long as it's on a flow or return pipe somewhere and cant be isolated . . . .
Also for anyone out there with vessel problems/pressure problems if you 3/4 drain a rad of water (one you don't use) this will act as as a temp vessel and take up the expansion.
take it you work for BG then
surely you can say whatever you want...?not good news about having to remove the whole lot
i'll see if i can beat your 3 'n' half hours THE BAR HAS BEEN SET!cant believe i didnt think bout draining a lesser used rad!
as sed my PCB was £160 but managed to get it fixed for £2.60
probably one of the many reasons im paid as a technician and not a fitter!see look now i feel bad that ive let you down! but its your own stupid pig-headed fault for not reading the thread title properly
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have you tried to re-pressurise the expansion vessel? mine was doing the same a while back, and even when at 1 bar air pressure (on the monitor put on the valve) it would drop.
a friend of a friend who works on boilers had a look, took it to one bar again, it dropped, tried again, it dropped (causing the boiler to dump water and lose water pressure again when it cooled), he then pretty much wrote off the expension vessel but then said sometimes with Ariston if you up the pressure it can hold. he then put double what you should in it, and it held. ran the boiler, no water came out the overflow and the boiler has been fine for 5 years, only gets topped up about twice a year now (normally after bleeding as i sealed the self bleed valve due to it leaking)
could be worth a shot, dont quote me on the pressures required for the air though, one of the guys above maybe able to give you the numbers (and if this was actually dangerous!)
a friend of a friend who works on boilers had a look, took it to one bar again, it dropped, tried again, it dropped (causing the boiler to dump water and lose water pressure again when it cooled), he then pretty much wrote off the expension vessel but then said sometimes with Ariston if you up the pressure it can hold. he then put double what you should in it, and it held. ran the boiler, no water came out the overflow and the boiler has been fine for 5 years, only gets topped up about twice a year now (normally after bleeding as i sealed the self bleed valve due to it leaking)
could be worth a shot, dont quote me on the pressures required for the air though, one of the guys above maybe able to give you the numbers (and if this was actually dangerous!)
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take it you work for BG then
not good news about having to remove the whole lot
cant believe i didnt think bout draining a lesser used rad!
as sed my PCB was £160 but managed to get it fixed for £2.60
see look now i feel bad that ive let you down! but its your own stupid pig-headed fault for not reading the thread title properly
We cant repair PCB's because we haven't got the equipment or qualifications to test them and sign them off,
The reason i can't say too much because the Gas safety regs say it's illegal for a unqualified person to work on gas appliances, "work" is deemed anything other than whats stated in the "user instructions" so basically if you take the front combustion case off and your breaking the law, and if anything goes wrong your liable and go to jail
The "working on your own appliances at home" rights was fazed out a few years ago.
We cant repair PCB's because we haven't got the equipment or qualifications to test them and sign them off,
The reason i can't say too much because the Gas safety regs say it's illegal for a unqualified person to work on gas appliances, "work" is deemed anything other than whats stated in the "user instructions" so basically if you take the front combustion case off and your breaking the law, and if anything goes wrong your liable and go to jail
The "working on your own appliances at home" rights was fazed out a few years ago.
if that's correct... then... oops
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+1... Strange how i could work on plumbing and electrics and get it signed off, yet as soon as it involves a boiler (even if you dont touch the gas side) then it suddenly becomes illegal...
The law relating to working on gas appliances was changed several years ago. It used to be working on gas must be done by a "competent person", but CORGI (now Gas Safe) managed to persuade the government to give them a monoply. Meaning that now, only a CORGI (Gas Safe) registered person can work on it.
Your not allowed to work on electrics either anymore unless you have the correct certification or you get somebody to inspect and sign it off.
They apparently want to do the same for plumbing
They apparently want to do the same for plumbing
Don't the latest electrical regulations only apply to electrical installations in the vicinity of water installations and outdoors?
A bathroom, for example, is divided into certain zones depending on proximity to a shower/bath/basin/tap etc. Some zones you can DIY on, some you can't. Outdoors you can't.
Dare I ask for a link that proves this statement?
AFAIK the law is still currently requiring someone to be "competent" and competence is not actually defined.
Oh yes you are.
Not all work on electrics requires the above, Part p is well. p= pants!
(I read diynot.com a lot)
Ok to be specific you can replace existing sockets etc, but you are not allowed to install new circuits etc unless you have part P or as I say have it inspected.
As for gas competence it is defined as registered by Gas Safe now, you can't even install it and have it inspected as that is breaking the law by both parties.
As for gas competence it is defined as registered by Gas Safe now, you can't even install it and have it inspected as that is breaking the law by both parties.
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in relation to electrics... Im pretty sure You can do anything yourself to your own property but your not allowed to work on anyone elses property or do electrical work for 'personal gain' be it a couple of beers from a friend or a fist full of 5ers from 'dodgy Dave' down your local...
As said about gas safe, im yet to see evidence of competent work or accurate diagnostics being carried out by these guys. Thats IF You can actually get them to turn up in the first place.
Bit of a **** about the whole gas thing tho. I take it theres no loophole to get round it? But it begs the question of why can i walk into any plumbers merchants and readily Buy any component i want for my boiler yet it would be illegal for me to fit it... Surely If the repair of boilers is so tightly regulated then it stands to reason that the sale of parts relating to should also be as tightly regulated.
As this is obviously not the case, can anyone shed any light on why?
As said about gas safe, im yet to see evidence of competent work or accurate diagnostics being carried out by these guys. Thats IF You can actually get them to turn up in the first place.
Bit of a **** about the whole gas thing tho. I take it theres no loophole to get round it? But it begs the question of why can i walk into any plumbers merchants and readily Buy any component i want for my boiler yet it would be illegal for me to fit it... Surely If the repair of boilers is so tightly regulated then it stands to reason that the sale of parts relating to should also be as tightly regulated.
As this is obviously not the case, can anyone shed any light on why?
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A bit unfair to mark all these people with the same brush. My dad's friend runs a Ltd company doing nothing but heating etc and their guys are great, work all hours and are always ontime.
There's a reason behind these laws as people (on a whole) are too f***ing stupid to manage this stuff on their own. Unfortunatly it wouldn't be just themselves they are hurting it would be other people when they blow up a gas main on a whole street.
the boiler repairs i have done have not been any gas repairs. the minute the gas side plays up, i get someone in.
