General Authenticating a US 500 Jolly

[IDKcars]

Hi All,

I was looking at this 500 Jolly and noticed a few things off. The chassis stamp seems to be in the wrong place and I'm not sure you should see the old door lines in the body. I want to buy it but looks like it's a decent conversion rather than an authentic Jolly. Also the year may be wrong?

What do the experts think?

Thank you,

 

[GettinBetter]

I'm certainly no expert, but your suspicions seem on point.
Can I suggest a online image search, to compare others, plus the wiki to see if there were other companies making abroad on licence?
Just a thought, sorry I can't be of more help.

 

[the hobbler]

I'm certainly no expert, but your suspicions seem on point.
Can I suggest a online image search, to compare others, plus the wiki to see if there were other companies making abroad on licence?
Just a thought, sorry I can't be of more help.

Simca also made the "Jolly" (Simca were originally set-up by Fiat to make Fiats under licence in France). I would agree with "GettinBetter"---I do not think that is an orginal.

 

[GettinBetter]

@the hobbler ... if they were made under licence doesn't that make them an original?

I did notice when having a search myself that there were quite a few versions with both single and double door lines. :shruggs:

 

[the hobbler]

@the hobbler ... if they were made under licence doesn't that make them an original?

I did notice when having a search myself that there were quite a few versions with both single and double door lines. :shruggs:

Yes, if they were made under licence they could be 'original'---but they would have the constructing manufacturer's name and badges on the car (Simca, Fiat). A friend of mine has restored a Simca '500 Jolly', and it carries Simca badges. Having looked at other 'Jollies' I am still of the opinion thatthis one is 'questionable' I looked at a 1959 'Jolly' that was at an auction (with a 479cc engine!) and among other things that i noticed---you could NOT see the door bottom outline. Just go onto "Fiat 500 Jolly" on line, there are lots to see, including the auctioned car

 

[IDKcars]

Thank you all. I think its either walk away or offer what a conversion trades for.

 

[Bigvtwin996]

msg me....
I have a genuine Jolly (Ghia) as technically any one can make a car so it is therefore original...
Have access to chassis numbers and details of known Original Jollys and 500Ns

 

[coralfiat500]

msg me....
I have a genuine Jolly (Ghia) as technically any one can make a car so it is therefore original...
Have access to chassis numbers and details of known Original Jollys and 500Ns

@Bigvtwin996 I have a Jolly that's been in the family for years, as a new member I can't PM you, would love to see what your database says.