I've been given 2 of these things and wondered if anyone had used them or anything similar?
Anyone used Motoflow magnetic fuel conditioner?
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Anyone used Motoflow magnetic fuel conditioner?
i hear the effects are questioned
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Better off practising Feng shui to achieve better fuel economy 
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is this that little magnet thats supposed to line up the atoms.. in the fuel.. if so its a load of rubbish. if its been given to you though no harm in trying..
I'm always interested to hear the 'anti' arguments for using magnets on fuel lines.
Mainly along the lines of "fuel isn't magnetic so how can it be affected?"
Well, a few weeks back on an obscure tv channel I watched as a strawberry was held in a magnetic field. Granted the field was many times stronger than these fuel devices but I don't see many strawberries being used in applications where a magnet is needed.
I first used these on a honda civic 1.4 auto. I was getting about 23 - 25 mpg (book said 25mpg). I was already using magnets on my water, gas and central heating pipes & noted great improvements, I was also using magnets for pain relief. Seeing these advertised for cars on ebay I figured I had little to lose - they were fairly cheap and if they didn't work I could always add them to the pipes in my house.
By the secon fill I noticed an average 28 - 30 mpg around town - with little variation over the lifespan of the car. When I bought my Fiat, the magnets were transferred. I don't know if they work on diesel/veg oil but they have more than paid for themselves so what the heck?
Droners (and Chris), how do you know these magnets are rubbish? Have you tried them?
jip0, I hear that running cars on waste veg oil blows up the engines - and yet mine's still running as good as the day I got it.
I hear the home made hydrogen cell might blow up - and yet a battery being charged under the bonnet produces some very combustable gases!
Not having a go or anything but unless you have tried the tech, how can you dismiss it?
Mainly along the lines of "fuel isn't magnetic so how can it be affected?"
Well, a few weeks back on an obscure tv channel I watched as a strawberry was held in a magnetic field. Granted the field was many times stronger than these fuel devices but I don't see many strawberries being used in applications where a magnet is needed.
I first used these on a honda civic 1.4 auto. I was getting about 23 - 25 mpg (book said 25mpg). I was already using magnets on my water, gas and central heating pipes & noted great improvements, I was also using magnets for pain relief. Seeing these advertised for cars on ebay I figured I had little to lose - they were fairly cheap and if they didn't work I could always add them to the pipes in my house.
By the secon fill I noticed an average 28 - 30 mpg around town - with little variation over the lifespan of the car. When I bought my Fiat, the magnets were transferred. I don't know if they work on diesel/veg oil but they have more than paid for themselves so what the heck?
Droners (and Chris), how do you know these magnets are rubbish? Have you tried them?
jip0, I hear that running cars on waste veg oil blows up the engines - and yet mine's still running as good as the day I got it.
I hear the home made hydrogen cell might blow up - and yet a battery being charged under the bonnet produces some very combustable gases!
Not having a go or anything but unless you have tried the tech, how can you dismiss it?
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might filter magnetic particles in the fuel and prevent them entering the chamber and in so reduce resistance
That would have been oh so useful with the OH's meriva. When the techs changed the fuel filter, they allowed the fuel to drain back into the tank. Consequently, the pump had to run dry, trying to lift fuel up & out of the tank.
This running dry tended to shred the impellor of the pump, dropping loads of swarf into the tank. over time, this would be sucked up to cause more damage to the pump. Eventually it packed up altogether causing almost £2k of damage (guessing much of that was labour/vat. fortunately, network Q covered us - the first time.
A year later & the problem returned, the techs said they could find no problems (as the car now started first time (as it did before - for a while)) and that's how she ended up with the panda she is now so happy with.
However, on another thread about petrol, i was just talking about the many additives in fuel - who is to say that the magnets don't affect one or all of these somehow?
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Here's the reason I decided to give them a try.
Today's diesel fuel is much more chemically active than the refined products of just a few years ago. Diesel fuel is not only subject to water, microbial degradation and outside contamination but also to natural degradation due to oxidation and repolymerization. Repolymerization is a process describing the formation of insoluble gums and particulate generated by the fuel primarily as a result of refining procedures used to produce diesel fuels from heavier petroleum hydrocarbons.
As the fuel is pumped to the engine and back to the tank many times Motoflow magnetic fuel conditioners could make a difference, I guess?
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http://www.ecomagnets.com/motoflow.htm
Today's diesel fuel is much more chemically active than the refined products of just a few years ago. Diesel fuel is not only subject to water, microbial degradation and outside contamination but also to natural degradation due to oxidation and repolymerization. Repolymerization is a process describing the formation of insoluble gums and particulate generated by the fuel primarily as a result of refining procedures used to produce diesel fuels from heavier petroleum hydrocarbons.
"Magnet fuel conditioners continually reverse the re-polymerization of the fuel and reduce the need for ongoing additive use"
As the fuel is pumped to the engine and back to the tank many times Motoflow magnetic fuel conditioners could make a difference, I guess?
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http://www.ecomagnets.com/motoflow.htm
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Somebody should tell the motor companies.
TBH shadey, I take a lot of the ecoflow bumpf with a pinch of salt.
I think they bulk out their descriptions with too much scientific wording & diagrams - which only seems to serve to give the 'anti' brigade more fuel for their fire as they can then seemingly 'nitpick' over every little detail.
I first heard about magnets being used to help a racehorse back to health back in the late 70s? I then read about this new wonderproduct for cars back in the early 80s (but it was way too expensive).
It was only when I actually witnessed the effect on a couple of industrial water boilers that I realised there might be something after all.
With two electromagnets on the cold feed, the amount of limescale raked out of two large strebel boilers was reduced from an oil drum to a 5 litre bucket. By placing magnets around the gas supply, the flames burned brighter, higher and hotter - so the boiler temps could be turned down lower whilst still giving us lashings of hot water and heat - so our gas bill was reduced. As a result, I have them on all the pipes in the house.
I think they bulk out their descriptions with too much scientific wording & diagrams - which only seems to serve to give the 'anti' brigade more fuel for their fire as they can then seemingly 'nitpick' over every little detail.
I first heard about magnets being used to help a racehorse back to health back in the late 70s? I then read about this new wonderproduct for cars back in the early 80s (but it was way too expensive).
It was only when I actually witnessed the effect on a couple of industrial water boilers that I realised there might be something after all.
With two electromagnets on the cold feed, the amount of limescale raked out of two large strebel boilers was reduced from an oil drum to a 5 litre bucket. By placing magnets around the gas supply, the flames burned brighter, higher and hotter - so the boiler temps could be turned down lower whilst still giving us lashings of hot water and heat - so our gas bill was reduced. As a result, I have them on all the pipes in the house.
I wonder if motor companies produce what oil companies tell them to produce.
The small engined cars aren't really that fuel efficient as the engine has to work harder to push the weight around
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The reason I gave for using these has nothing to do with what I've read on the Ecoflow site. I only supplied that link for extra reading and price if anyone was interested.
Just researching diesel and biodiesel fuels myself I found that diesel naturaly degrades due to oxidation and repolymerization.
A common way for site machinery to be protected against this is using magnets on the fuel lines. Site machinery often have fuel stored for long periods allowing oxidation and repolymerization to happen. The resulting sludge increases maintenance costs, installing these magnets has been proven to help?
DETROIT DIESEL and CATERPILLAR to name just 2 of them that use them.
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A strawberry is paramagnetic. A massive magnetic field can influence paramagnetic materials. This is a given. However, these fields are produced by bits of equipment which would not be easily available.
Hydrocarbon fuels are also paramagnetic. Therefore a large magnetic field is required to influence it. Any Chemistry A Level student would be able to tell you another way of using a magnetic field to influence a hydrocarbon; mass spectrometry. However, for this the hydrocarbons need to be ionised, which involves something like an electron beam to produce the hydrocarbon ions. The ions can then be influenced by a magnetic field.
A human is paramagnetic too but can withstand a 3 Tesla/30,000 Gauss magnetic field (the strength an MRI scanner can operate at according to howstuffworks.com) without a fuss unless something like a pacemaker is fitted (and that person could be refused an MRI scan on this basis).
If a 3 Tesla field can't affect a paramagnetic human (which has quite a few hydrocarbons), what's the chance a 3 Tesla field affects a paramagnetic hydrocarbon? What's the typical field strength of a fuel magnet?
Another way of putting it; since the auto industry is focussing more and more on fuel economy, why wouldn't they simply fit them during manufacture? It would be a relatively cheap and easy improvement.
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A strawberry is paramagnetic. A massive magnetic field can influence paramagnetic materials. This is a given. However, these fields are produced by bits of equipment which would not be easily available.
Hydrocarbon fuels are also paramagnetic. Therefore a large magnetic field is required to influence it. Any Chemistry A Level student would be able to tell you another way of using a magnetic field to influence a hydrocarbon; mass spectrometry. However, for this the hydrocarbons need to be ionised, which involves something like an electron beam to produce the hydrocarbon ions. The ions can then be influenced by a magnetic field.
A human is paramagnetic too but can withstand a 3 Tesla/30,000 Gauss magnetic field (the strength an MRI scanner can operate at according to howstuffworks.com) without a fuss unless something like a pacemaker is fitted (and that person could be refused an MRI scan on this basis).
If a 3 Tesla field can't affect a paramagnetic human (which has quite a few hydrocarbons), what's the chance a 3 Tesla field affects a paramagnetic hydrocarbon? What's the typical field strength of a fuel magnet?
Another way of putting it; since the auto industry is focussing more and more on fuel economy, why wouldn't they simply fit them during manufacture? It would be a relatively cheap and easy improvement.
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Do you have any good reasons why fiat for instance would be remotely interested in what the oil companies want compared to what their customers want?
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Not sure if they'll do anything but I've fitted them anyway. One on the pump feed and one on the return. I'll let you know if I notice any difference.
I haven't got any reasons why, but then again, we have been told about the oil running out since before 2000 - so why are motor manufacturers still producing petrol and diesel burning motors? Surely with the ever increasing fuel prices, the customer wants cheaper ways of getting around yet motors using alternative fuels are still few and far between.
I fitted one of these, tested over about 500 miles, dropped my average mpg down to about 25
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Diesel or petrol?
Petrol, a diesel Sei would be cool though
