Technical 95 or 100 octane petrol

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Technical 95 or 100 octane petrol

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Hi,

I am about to try 100 octane petrol in my 120 t-jet for the first time. Will there be any difference in engine running ? Which is better to use ?
I heard, that turbo engines prefer higher octane fuel, becouse of higher compression ratio. What is the compression ration on this engine ?

Thx,
Paladin
 
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To be honest higher octaine fuel is best suited to high performance cars, there will be a slight increase in power but very very little and once you have gone through at least 2 full tanks of fuel.

Turbo cars prefer higher octane yes.
I wouldnt know your compression ratio check your user manual.
 
According to this the compression ratio is 9.8:1. I doubt it you would notice any difference between the 95 vs 100 octane fuel, only those heavily modified engine will benefit from 100 octane fuel.
 
Thx for answers. My manual does not include t-jet version, only starjet and mjet, so I didn't know the compression ratio.

As for 100 octane petrol, I dont notice any difference. Maybe it would come in time, as someone mentioned, but when this tank burns out, i'm going to filled it up with RON 95 again. 95 is sufficient acording to the manual and cheaper then 100..

Greetings,
Paladin
 
I thought the times when I filled up with anything above 95ron petrol that I was forcing myself to believe the car felt smoother.

I filled up from sainsburys with their super unleaded, I forget the octane now actually lol but its more than 95.. and I was driving along and thought, hmm the engine sounds quieter for some reason and feels smoother, then I clicked that I'd used a different octane.

Not sure if anyone else has had the same expierence or if its just that my brain knew it was a different fuel so I was trying to justify using a more expensive fuel.

150 Petrol :>
 
Types of Fuel and Octane Ratings


Petrol's octane rating is a measurement of the fuel's ability to resist engine knocking. Knock occurs when the fuel-air mix in the cylinder explodes instead of burning in a controlled way. This shockwave moves within the combustion chamber, and creates a metallic 'pinging' sound.

An octane rating is often referred to as an 'anti-knock index'. If fuel has a high octane number, it will have a higher resistance to engine knocking.


Octane Numbers

Usually, there are three different octane numbers associated with all petrols. Petrol's Research Octane Number (RON) is measured under simple test conditions. Petrol's Motor Octane Number (MON) is measured under tougher test conditions and at higher engine speed and temperature.

The average of these two values is what becomes related closer to actual driving conditions. This value is known as the Road Octane Number, and is what should be used in filling stations.

Occasionally, some filling stations will confuse these different octane numbers in a bid to embellish on their octane rating claims, and advertise their fuel's Research Octane Number, which is higher than the Road Octane Number. In many European countries, the Research Octane Number is advertised on pumps, so a much higher octane value is common when travelling in certain countries.


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Diesel automatically ignites and burns when it is compressed to a very high pressure. The released energy is contained by the engine and powers the vehicle. The key difference between diesel and petrol engines is auto-ignition. A spark plug ignites the fuel in a petrol engine whereas a diesel engine auto-ignites. Diesel has a Cetane Index and Number rather than the Research Octane Number (RON) that petrol has.
Diesel drivers may find this diesel drivers forum useful for useful information, advice and discussions.
Diesel used to be the cheaper option for motorists, but recently the cost of diesel has risen above petrol. This article discusses why diesel costs more than petrol (even though it is easier to make).




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Bio-diesel is a more environmentally friendly fuel slowly becoming available across the UK. It is produced from renewable energy sources such as sugar beet, rape seed and sunflowers and is a biological substitute for regular diesel. Bio-diesel fueled vehicles are more environmentally friendly than conventional cars which run on petrol and diesel because the fuel is not as toxic and does not produce as many damaging exhaust emissions. Read our biodiesel page for more information on this type of fuel or to add your company to our directory if you are a biodeisel supplier.




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Leaded Four Star petrol was removed from sale on British forecourts on 1st January 2000. However, Leaded Four Star is now sold in a small amount of licensed stations in the UK.





In the UK, the most common petrol types are:


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Ordinary unleaded - 95 RON

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Super unleaded - 98 RON

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Leaded Four Star - 98 RON


Super Fuels

Many of the large petrol companies have launched 'super fuels' - petrols and diesels that have a higher research octane level. These fuels are said to increase power in many vehicles, deliver less pollution than regular fuels and help to maintain a cleaner engine. Amongst these 'super fuels' are Tesco's Super Unleaded 99 Octane petrol, supplied by Greenergy, now sold at many stations across the UK and also BP's Ultimate 102 Unleaded which is currently the most advanced, high-performance petrol you can buy on UK forecourts.

Using Super Fuels

One of our users commented that using higher octane fuel than your engine requires actually gives no benefit and may be a waste of money. This is because virtually NO engines require 98 RON over 95, and the market for 'super' fuels seems to be based on people's misunderstanding of octane ratings and the placebo effect of filling up with 'more powerful' fuel - making motorists think their engine is running better in some way.
What do the fuel companies say then, to justify the "increased power" claims for the super grade fuels? Some companies say that while all fuels contain cleaning additives, 'super' fuels contain more or better detergents to keep the injectors cleaner than standard fuel. Others say the fuel is a few percent denser which gives slightly more power per litre. These benefits may be marginal though in comparison to the extra cost involved so it is worth ensuring that your engine will actually benefit before filling up.
Some engines actually do need higher octane fuel, such as race engines with very high compression and some turbocharged engines, such as the import version of the Nissan Skyline. Also, a few vehicles, such as the new BMW K1200R motorbike, can sense knock and adjust their engine tuning to take advantage of higher grade fuels. Another user commented that the 2004 BMW 330 also does this, according to the driver's handbook it makes 231 BHP on 98 octane and 221 BHP on 95. This ability is apparently widespread amongst German performance cars using Bosch / Siemens electronic engine controls.
 
In my country 95 RON is premium and 92 RON is super. Now that might be lower than euro standards but it is higher than most countries. My question is, would there be a marked difference in using 92 RON as apposed to 95 RON?
 
i use 98 when possible, however i have a remap and running around 180bhp, when i have used 95, i find i get a horrible flat spot at 2.5k rpm, which i dont have when on 98.
 
I think the big difference will be in a near future :D:D.
The engine and the mechanical parts are made to work ona 95 octane base fuel if you use higher octane fuel it will become even more agressive and dry to the engine and in time something will collapse. Fiat dealer told me to use 95 octane fuel and that's what I'm using in the car, sorry, in my T-Jet 150.
The fuel thing is like the having a noisy exaust. It's more expensive when buying and when going for the repair and the performance is in the one's head.
If you want to go faster buy a sports car(y) I myself prefer my Bravo.

PS:in some countries the octane level isn't the one you see posted in the gas station.
For example in Spain the 95 fuel is poorer than the Portuguese one, although it's cheaper.
 
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I think the big difference will be in a near future :D:D.
The engine and the mechanical parts are made to work ona 95 octane base fuel if you use higher octane fuel it will become even more agressive and dry to the engine and in time something will collapse. Fiat dealer told me to use 95 octane fuel and that's what I'm using in the car, sorry, in my T-Jet 150.
The fuel thing is like the having a noisy exaust. It's more expensive when buying and when going for the repair and the performance is in the one's head.
If you want to go faster buy a sports car(y) I myself prefer my Bravo.

PS:in some countries the octane level isn't the one you see posted in the gas station.
For example in Spain the 95 fuel is poorer than the Portuguese one, although it's cheaper.


They have never opened the handbook and you too

Petrol engines: only refuel with unleaded petrol with octane rating (RON) not less than 95 conforming to the European
specification EN 228.

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the higher the octane level the better the perferomance and for the engine itself.
For all gasoline cars in my company we use 100 octane gasoline not 95 although it is a bit cheaper, but if you can choose go for the 100, the same for alpine diesel...etc
 
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