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General 500 dualogic / automatic?

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General 500 dualogic / automatic?

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Hi All

I'm hoping that someone here can help as I can't seem to find the info on the Fiat website?

I know that the 500 Dualogic is described as a 'robotised manual' but can it be operated in a fully automatic mode and if so is it classified as an auto for driver licencing purposes - ie can it be driven by someone who holds an automatic transmission only (Class B auto) driving licence?

(y)
 
Hi,

Yes it has a fully automatic mode & I have certainly read of people who got this transmission because their partner has an auto-only license. (I haven't got mine yet, I have a full license though but am getting the dualogic)
 
As far as I'm aware, it's a clutch less manual, you still need to find the bite as it were, and it rolls back on hills so it's far from being an auto. Changes gear like a manual too, quite strange to drive but fun once you get the hang of it (i prefer manual mode) Just waiting for Fiat to develop a double clutch flappy paddle version for the sportier versions (such as the Abarth 500) now that would be fun!
 
DraigFlag87 said:
As far as I'm aware, it's a clutch less manual, you still need to find the bite as it were, and it rolls back on hills so it's far from being an auto. Changes gear like a manual too, quite strange to drive but fun once you get the hang of it (i prefer manual mode) Just waiting for Fiat to develop a double clutch flappy paddle version for the sportier versions (such as the Abarth 500) now that would be fun!
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It's not really going to make the Abarth more fun per se but it will save you on fuel and it will also give performance a tiny (and I do mean tiny!) kick because of quicker shift times and also the fact that you're spinning a smaller gear cluster.
 
306maxi said:
It's not really going to make the Abarth more fun per se but it will save you on fuel and it will also give performance a tiny (and I do mean tiny!) kick because of quicker shift times and also the fact that you're spinning a smaller gear cluster.
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I don't think Fiat will develop one, their quite happy with the duelogic, and besides it would cost so much to develop, it would bump the price of the car up by £1500 to £2000 i'm guessing (how much is the DSG on the Golf for example!)
 
306maxi said:
It's not an auto though :) It's a robotised manual which means the car does the clutch work for you.
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Yea i know how they work (i was joking btw) my Mum's old Panda was a duelogic, could change gear yourself, or pop it in auto. Quite fun really, just got to remember to push the gear stick up to go from 3rd to 4th, not down! Never driven a flappy paddle syle box though...
 
DraigFlag87 said:
just got to remember to push the gear stick up to go from 3rd to 4th, not down!
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I was quite impressed when I first tried a 500 Dualogic and realised they'd finally got the shift pattern the 'right' way (forward for downshifts, back for upshifts). :D

BTW, it's a clutch-pedal-less manual. Still has a clutch, it's just that it's actuator-controlled (like the gearshifts). ;)
 
D4nny8oy said:
I was quite impressed when I first tried a 500 Dualogic and realised they'd finally got the shift pattern the 'right' way (forward for downshifts, back for upshifts). :D

BTW, it's a clutch-pedal-less manual. Still has a clutch, it's just that it's actuator-controlled (like the gearshifts). ;)
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Oh really? They changed it round in the 500 then (Vs the Panda anyway) Now imagine owning a Panda Dualogic and a 500 dualogic, confusing! :confused:
 
Just spotted this in this very forum:

(Can't post link as not got 5 posts yet)

"I've posted about my Panda dualogic several times - 30k miles, no trouble at all, lovely to drive and much better than normal automatic as the pattern I tend to adopt is sometimes interfering and sometimes leaving it be. You can drive it with an auto licence - the test is - does it have a clutch pedal."

[Posted by little-blue-chichi]
 
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DraigFlag87 said:
As far as I'm aware, it's a clutch less manual, you still need to find the bite as it were, and it rolls back on hills so it's far from being an auto.
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Its an auto, type of box is irrevent. And you don't need to find a biting point car does it.

306maxi said:
It's not an auto though :) It's a robotised manual which means the car does the clutch work for you.
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It IS an auto ;)

Just not the conventional you all seem to think of when you metion automatic.

D4nny8oy said:
BTW, it's a clutch-pedal-less manual. Still has a clutch, it's just that it's actuator-controlled (like the gearshifts). ;)
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Nearest discription. Is's an auto, with the option to select gears. It's not clutch pedal, so is an auto. Its an auto with a clutch, and this clutch is operated by the vehicle and not the driver.

To OP YES YOU CAN DRIVE IT ON A FULLY AUTO LICENSE AS ITS NO CLUTCH PEDAL (y)

Jon.
 
Most Easterly Pandas said:
Its an auto, type of box is irrevent. And you don't need to find a biting point car does it.



It IS an auto ;)

Just not the conventional you all seem to think of when you metion automatic.



Nearest discription. Is's an auto, with the option to select gears. It's not clutch pedal, so is an auto. Its an auto with a clutch, and this clutch is operated by the vehicle and not the driver.

To OP YES YOU CAN DRIVE IT ON A FULLY AUTO LICENSE AS ITS NO CLUTCH PEDAL (y)

Jon.
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Nope :p

It's a manual box (ie doesn't have a torque converter) which has the clutch and gear selection controlled by the car so it functions as an automatic ;)

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selespeed[/ame]
 
306maxi said:
Nope :p

It's a manual box (ie doesn't have a torque converter) which has the clutch and gear selection controlled by the car so it functions as an automatic ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selespeed
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I'm with Maxi on this one, it's a clutch less manual, yes it still has a clutch of course, but it's not operated by the driver. I'm 70% sure you cannot drive it on an auto license. And the fact that it does roll back on hills, you have to hold the throttle and it doesn't "creep" by itself when in gear also proves it's not an auto.
 
Most Easterly Pandas said:
The car as a whole (shell engine wheels etc) is an automatic.

The gearbox is a 'type of auto box' which is controled as you mention.

The Car is and Auto. No clutch pedal ;)

CVT gearboxes don't all have torque converters but they're still auto Boxes (y)
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Well you're simply looking at it from a drivers perspective, I'm saying that from a technical PoV it's a robotised manual :p
 
DraigFlag87 said:
And the fact that it does roll back on hills, you have to hold the throttle and it doesn't "creep" by itself when in gear also proves it's not an auto.
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Right, you CAN drive it on a fully auto lisence.

There are a fair few auto's out their that don't creep, and that roll down hill (I've even rolled a coventional auto with torque convirter backwards down a hill when in Drive!!!).

Auto car's and the Auto lisence are all in relation to that third pedal, not if and when the car rolls or moves ;)
 
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