Technical 1988 uno ignition problem

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Technical 1988 uno ignition problem

angryred

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Hi,

I have a 1988 Uno 60s, The problem is i have no spark, It has the electronic distributor, Im thinking its something to do with wires to the coil, there are 4 wires, 2 which go to the distributor, 1 power with 12volts , and another which im not sure what its for? No voltage coming from it, Maybe supposed to be another power source? any help would be great
 
Hello, welcome to the forum :wave:

Whereabouts in the world are you?

A 60S from 1988 should have the 1116cc engine, not the 1108cc FIRE engine used in later models. So the distributor is block mounted?

The ignition coil has, I think, a couple of red wires - one may go to the fuel cutoff solenoid (on the carburettor) or - for 1988 - probably the fuel cutoff control unit. The positive terminal has power from the ignition key switch. A red wire goes to the finned electronic module (on the side of the distributor) to provide power to that, too.

The other, negative, terminal usually has a single green wire but there may also be a grey wire if the car has a tachometer (I don't think the 60S does). The green wire does go to the distributor - as I think you were saying - and the electronic module grounds (earthes) this, as the points did in older systems, to 'power up' the ignition coil. When the module un-grounds the green wire (or when the points opened in older systems), the magnetic field in the ignition coil breaks down and creates a high-tension voltage to fire a spark.

Before you go too far, check that the engine has a good ground (the ground cable on the end of the gearbox), since a poor ground may mean the green wire never grounds the coil properly.

The problem might be with the wires to the pickup coil, inside the distributor. The insulation cracks and flakes off, allowing the wires to short together. You can clean the wires and re-insulate using heatproof 'spaghetti' tubing as used for oven wiring and available at an electrical shop. Heatshrink tubing will probably work, too. Insulation tape won't - it will come un-wound in the hot oily environment.

Or the problem might be the electronic module, which is an especially common failure - but that usually begins as an intermittent cutting-out or refusing to start when hot. If you can get one, it's worth having a spare just in case, or to substitute during your fault-finding, as it doesn't take long to swap.

I have managed to burn out a coil once - but only when using the electronic (D-shaped) coil with an older points distributor. Otherwise the coils are reliable - much more than the module, anyway.

So I suggest swapping the module if you can. And if there's no difference, take the distributor apart to check/repair the pickup wires - do this with it off the engine, you'll need to re-time the engine later (with a timing light). Perhaps first turn the crankshaft to align the notch on the back of the camshaft pulley with the small pointer built into the metal backing of the cambelt cover at the top towards the front. With the camshaft in that position, the distributor rotor should point to No. 4 spark plug - not No. 1 as on other engines.

I presume you've already checked that the distributor is actually turning with the engine - if not, you could have a broken cambelt, which is pretty much curtains for the 1116cc engine :rolleyes:

We'll see what others suggest, too.

Cheers,
-Alex
 
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Thanks

Im in NZ, Palmerston North

Yes thats right, block mounted distributor, From memory there was an orange power wire, green and red wires going to distributor, cant remember other wire possibly brown.

It has been sitting for 6 months or so outside, so insulation cracking could wel have happend, I will pull the distributor off tomorrow and check it out.

From memory last time it was running there were problems with the ignition switch, and it was removed from the steering column and the car started from turning the ignition barrel, this however doesnt work now,

there is definatly power getting to the coil with key on and in starting position, so this would make it look like more of a distributor problem?
 
Pulled the distributor off before, stripped it down as far as i could, found nothing wrong, put it all back together, and sparking again:confused: oh well gue it could have been worse.
 
Sorry I lost this thread :eek:

Another Kiwi, eh? :woot: It feels like we make up a significant percentage of the Uno forum... particularly in terms of posts :)

Great that you got it working again - probably a tarnished ground connection to the module, something like that.

I'm pretty certain there are only two wires going into the distributor - the red, which is power, and the green, which is the coil negative (grounded by the ignition module, which has a ground wire to the distributor body plus two more wires from the pickup).

-Alex
 
hi again

Just wondering if you would know the ignition timing setting for the 70s 1300 engine of my 1988 carbied, had a quick scan though the forum with no luck.
 
ok 1 more question:D, there are 3 marks on the cambelt cover, no markings as to what degrees or tdc? is it 5 - 10 - tdc or ?

Thanks
Geoff
 
Hi, i've just been told off a mechanic that my ignition module is broken, i have the 1300 mk1 ut, is it possible to get the part off a different model uno or order it new or something, i dont have much time to travel around that's all...
thanks for your help, Regards Andy.
 
Hi, i've just been told off a mechanic that my ignition module is broken, i have the 1300 mk1 ut, is it possible to get the part off a different model uno or order it new or something, i dont have much time to travel around that's all...
thanks for your help, Regards Andy.

No, you can't use a module off another model of Uno. The mk1 UT uses a totally different ignition set up to all other mk1 Unos so you will have to find one specific to the UT. What exactly are the symptoms that your car is experiencing? It is also worth bearing in mind that the modules/ ECU's rarely fail on UT's so it could well be something more simple in the ignition circuit.
 
It turns over no problem but fails to start with the occasional start then dies after a few seconds, if you try to give it gas it instantly dies. The Module gets very warm which he said it shouldn't get this warm. The connector block that connects to the module seems to be slightly damaged causing one of the wires to be loose, he said it would be easier getting another one than trying to repair, i guess he doesn't know how rare UT mk1's are, i think a good auto electrician could fix it?
 
hay alexGS i also have a fiat uno with an ignition problem when hot (cutting out and hard to start) how much in NZD is a new module
 
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